Do you want the new normal to be that new aircraft will be predicated on pay cuts? Because that's the new normal in the regional sector right now. That puts pressure on Delta's narrowbody rates, makes DC9s/717s/MD80s less attractive to keep around, and ensures that DL management tries even harder for additional outsourced 76+ seat replacement jets next time.

Even under the T/A, 3/4 of the 9E pilots will lose their jobs. 85% did not vote yes for the benefit of the senior 1/4. They voted yes for the bridge agreement, which went away if they voted no. The bridge agreement was a very necessary carrot for Pinnacle to set a new low in small jet pay. Your job was commoditized as a tool of pilot wage repression.

Actually no, it's not industry average, their old contract was industry average. The new rates are considerably lower than several contracts currently at or past their amendment dates. It will put enormous pressure on us at Compass who are currently in expedited negotiations with mandatory arbitration, and, until now, had high hopes of getting a decent raise & contract improvements. All with ALPA's stamp of approval.

Wasn't sure but it doesn't change the fact that his post about TW screwing over ASA, and, his follow up 3 points as to why, have no merit and he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I think the anger/frustration comes more from the back room deals and dishonest manner in which this is all being handled. There is a hidden letter somewhere and you have to call TW to personally talk to him about it? What else is going on behind the scenes that the due paying members are not privy to? The Union honestly believes this will not lower the regional industry bar in the race to the bottom?

bingo.

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Jungle Bus took him to school. Saw nothing to add to Jungle Bus' well written post.

Some of my friends that are "yes" voters didn't even vote "yes" because of the bridge agreement. They voted "yes" for the cash payout that's coming in a few months that will hopefully help them get through a couple of months while they look for another job. Some voted "yes" because they think they'll get the 3 months of furlough pay, but I'm skeptical of that happening. They way Pinnacle has been talking, they don't expect to furlough soon, and planes won't start getting parked for a while. The 3 months is only if you're furloughed in 2013. I could totally see Pinnacle running fat for a couple of months at the end of 2013 to avoide paying out the 3 months. They'll still get 1 month if they're furloughed in Jan 2014. There were more carrots in this TA than in a garden....

I figured you would dodge my point. 9E didn't take paycuts in order to get growth or a bridge. Thats the bottom line and you make it sound otherwise. Good day. :rolleyes:

How would you define the quid pro quo? What was the exchange given for the 25% regressive pay cut?

Bar, the paycuts were coming regardless or they were shutting the doors. There backs were pretty much up against the wall. It was a crap sandwich and they took the best they could do. For you to suggest that they sold out in order to get growth or a bridge is complete nonsense on your part. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

If that was the point you were trying to make, then why did you post this?You might have a good point in there, but your point tends to get buried in your invective.