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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmosdrvr
Only slightly less mature than a Delta pilot exaulting the demise of the regional airlines on a forum meant for those regional pilots.

I took no part in criticizing the Pinnacle guys, we all chase airplanes none of us are any better than the other. Some are just more lucky. They had a raw deal forced on them by Delta and had no choice but to take it.

As far as living in reality. 13 years of musical regionals made have left me a little jaded. I will say again though Skywest is going to be just fine.

My apologies. I made a poor attempt at conveying my original point. It was not that Skywest was the next to go BK. My initial response was to a Skywest pilot whom called the Pinnacle pilots "spineless weenies" because they approved the concessionary TA. To do so, when that individual has not been in the same situation, is out of line. Until that individual has walked in the Pinnacle pilot's shoes, he/she is nothing more then troll.(As you would call them) Same goes for the those that criticize mainline pilots for "selling scope" in BK. There are now some Pinnacle pilots who realize the reality that BK brings. To "burn it down" or "max pay until the last day" isn't such a easy choice when you have a family to consider.

Now, you can say Skywest is going to be just fine. And perhaps they will be. But you can not ensure that they will not have to comply with the current CPA which requires a rate reset in 2015, & requires Skywest to be the 2nd lowest cost DCI operator. Will that result in the need for lower labor costs? Hard to say, but the rate reset is undeniable. And if profit margins are slimming, the lower rates required due to Pinnacle's new contract could certainly place pressure on Skywest pilot's pay.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Well gee whiz Einstien, ever thought that our management might tell us that since we're in Section 6, we now need to match your lowball rate? Or that maybe Delta will just transfer our airplanes and flying to you when we refuse? Ya Think? Thanks again for the cornhole guys. It won't be forgotten.
gee whiz, ever thought that if we said no and got shut down, your pilot group including you would bend over and pull their pants down because Delta just shut down the last 2 that didn't play their way? Oh but then you could have our planes and you could make sure your kids are good and fat...

If you can't see that you and Pinnacle are screwed either way the vote went, you need your head examined.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:34 PM
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Just curious. Your CEO gave himself a 60% pay raise right before filing for bankruptcy right? That's the same CEO now? Is he going to be forced out by Delta (with a golden parachute of course) and has he already given his pay raise back? I'm just wondering because awful management was 100% of the reason they're asking you for pay cuts. Pilots are always sharing in failure but never reaping the rewards of profitability.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Well gee whiz Einstien, ever thought that our management might tell us that since we're in Section 6, we now need to match your lowball rate? Or that maybe Delta will just transfer our airplanes and flying to you when we refuse? Ya Think? Thanks again for the cornhole guys. It won't be forgotten.
and how's that's different than us voting no and transfering ours to you exactly?
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Just curious. Your CEO gave himself a 60% pay raise right before filing for bankruptcy right? That's the same CEO now? Is he going to be forced out by Delta (with a golden parachute of course) and has he already given his pay raise back? I'm just wondering because awful management was 100% of the reason they're asking you for pay cuts. Pilots are always sharing in failure but never reaping the rewards of profitability.
no, that CEO was gone a long time ago......
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:45 PM
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So it's written in the skywest CPA they the must have the 2nd lowest costs of all DCI carries? I would imagine with this new pinnacle concessionary contract and Gojets, it'll be tough unless economy of scale saves them that much money.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
So it's written in the skywest CPA they the must have the 2nd lowest costs of all DCI carries? I would imagine with this new pinnacle concessionary contract and Gojets, it'll be tough unless economy of scale saves them that much money.
It's in Skywest's latest 10-K.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
gee whiz, ever thought that if we said no and got shut down, your pilot group including you would bend over and pull their pants down because Delta just shut down the last 2 that didn't play their way? Oh but then you could have our planes and you could make sure your kids are good and fat...

If you can't see that you and Pinnacle are screwed either way the vote went, you need your head examined.
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and how's that's different than us voting no and transfering ours to you exactly?
First off I don't plan on being here more than another year or two, so I couldn't care less how many of "your" (Delta's) airplanes we get. Second, 800 OF YOU ARE LOSING YOUR JOBS! HELLO!!! Would YOU want "your" airplanes places at the DCI carrier with the best contract, when you go begging for a new job? This is exactly why you guys are in this Epic Fail. Missing the forest for the trees.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
So it's written in the skywest CPA they the must have the 2nd lowest costs of all DCI carries? I would imagine with this new pinnacle concessionary contract and Gojets, it'll be tough unless economy of scale saves them that much money.
Not SkyWest. ASA (SureJet, Expressjet, etc). We are required by our CPA to be the second lowest cost DCI carrier, or Delta may terminate our CPA. That is a fact.
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Old 01-16-2013 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Well gee whiz Einstien, ever thought that our management might tell us that since we're in Section 6, we now need to match your lowball rate? Or that maybe Delta will just transfer our airplanes and flying to you when we refuse? Ya Think? Thanks again for the cornhole guys. It won't be forgotten.
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
First off I don't plan on being here more than another year or two, so I couldn't care less how many of "your" (Delta's) airplanes we get. Second, 800 OF YOU ARE LOSING YOUR JOBS! HELLO!!! Would YOU want "your" airplanes places at the DCI carrier with the best contract, when you go begging for a new job? This is exactly why you guys are in this Epic Fail. Missing the forest for the trees.
I see....when it benefits you, they are your airplanes and routes, not Deltas......but when I say our, you pull the semantics card.....

And what makes you think you will only be there another year or so? haven't you been there like 12 already??????
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