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04-27-2013, 05:18 AM
#381
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
There seems to be a misconception about the SSP. According to some, if you go somewhere else listed on the SSP, you are now ineligible for Delta, forever.
According to the union, it just disqualifies you for the specific SSP benefit but you can still apply / get hired at Delta.
According to the union, it just disqualifies you for the specific SSP benefit but you can still apply / get hired at Delta.
04-27-2013, 05:43 AM
#382
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
There seems to be a misconception about the SSP. According to some, if you go somewhere else listed on the SSP, you are now ineligible for Delta, forever.
According to the union, it just disqualifies you for the specific SSP benefit but you can still apply / get hired at Delta.
According to the union, it just disqualifies you for the specific SSP benefit but you can still apply / get hired at Delta.
All Delta did was plant seeds of doubt.
Edit...Also, aren't current Pinnacle FOs *supposed* to be able to apply on their own at present time, but yet get the cold shoulder at job fairs? Doesn't seem things are working as advertised. I guess the not working "as advertised" is a pun given Boomer's post.
04-27-2013, 05:55 AM
#383
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Originally Posted by block30
Right, but even that is enough to get people questioning their next move-reference the recent thread about taking the job offer from Spirit. I believe that person had a tough decision giving up living in base, but also made reference to Delta being their number one career goal. Apparently this is weighing on some minds..
All Delta did was plant seeds of doubt.
Edit...Also, aren't current Pinnacle FOs *supposed* to be able to apply on their own at present time, but yet get the cold shoulder at job fairs? Doesn't seem things are working as advertised. I guess the not working "as advertised" is a pun given Boomer's post.
All Delta did was plant seeds of doubt.
Edit...Also, aren't current Pinnacle FOs *supposed* to be able to apply on their own at present time, but yet get the cold shoulder at job fairs? Doesn't seem things are working as advertised. I guess the not working "as advertised" is a pun given Boomer's post.
Simply put, had Delta not messed with Mesaba, I suspect many of us would have stuck around and waited for our flow number. Now, not a chance will anywhere near that many wait for this SSP deal.
04-27-2013, 06:14 AM
#384
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Originally Posted by Avroman
For every 1 seed they planted, they burned 4 trees ready for picking.
Simply put, had Delta not messed with Mesaba, I suspect many of us would have stuck around and waited for our flow number. Now, not a chance will anywhere near that many wait for this SSP deal.
Simply put, had Delta not messed with Mesaba, I suspect many of us would have stuck around and waited for our flow number. Now, not a chance will anywhere near that many wait for this SSP deal.
04-27-2013, 11:49 AM
#385
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Originally Posted by block30
Right, but even that is enough to get people questioning their next move-reference the recent thread about taking the job offer from Spirit. I believe that person had a tough decision giving up living in base, but also made reference to Delta being their number one career goal. Apparently this is weighing on some minds..
All Delta did was plant seeds of doubt.
Edit...Also, aren't current Pinnacle FOs *supposed* to be able to apply on their own at present time, but yet get the cold shoulder at job fairs? Doesn't seem things are working as advertised. I guess the not working "as advertised" is a pun given Boomer's post.
All Delta did was plant seeds of doubt.
Edit...Also, aren't current Pinnacle FOs *supposed* to be able to apply on their own at present time, but yet get the cold shoulder at job fairs? Doesn't seem things are working as advertised. I guess the not working "as advertised" is a pun given Boomer's post.
You're right...just re-read it. I'm the one who didn't "get it"...sorry shy
04-27-2013, 12:27 PM
#386
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Exactly. That was at a very recent job fair, with an interaction with a Delta hiring manager (and pilot?) Mr. Arnie K. Apparently Delta feels all 9E pilots have this SSP agreement and there is no cutting any line, wait your turn. The biggest potential issue is how DALPA feels and how the pilots on the hiring team feel, knowing that this SSP deal was brokered behind their backs, with 9E ALPA and DL management only. This doesn't bode well, and the recent job fair attendance proves it with 9E guys being told to wait their turn and that their union will give them any updates.
That's okay. Now you have to think how many people voted yes out of misinformation (eg, that you can't get hired at Delta once you leave 9E).
That's okay. Now you have to think how many people voted yes out of misinformation (eg, that you can't get hired at Delta once you leave 9E).
04-27-2013, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fatsopilot
No one voted on misinformation, everyone knew the SSP was a joke. No one thought it was a great deal for the 9E pilots - you had access to the Airlink board during the vote, you saw what everyone was posting. However, you have to admit the SSP gives a 9E pilot a better chance of getting hired at Delta over the average pilot. Any given pilot on the 9E list has a greater probability of being a Delta pilot when compared with pilots such as yourself who don't have access to the SSP. So don't play this off like it is the end of the world and no 9E pilots will ever make it to Delta, yes, the SSP is not bullet proof and yes a large number of 9E pilots will never make it to Delta but a large number of 9E pilots were never going to make it to Delta in the first place. You can try to paint the picture anyway you like, but even with all the flaws, the number of 9E pilots who will go to Delta is higher now with the SSP than it would have been without.
04-27-2013, 03:32 PM
#388
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Everybody thinks they know how the SSP is going to turn out but until we start seeing how Delta is going to treat this, it's like arguing with your dog. The people that want to see 9E fail will believe the SSP will never help a single pilot. Those of us at 9E are hoping for the best, but not banking on it. I have been in this business to long to believe any pilots theory on how things are going to work out. I would inject my personal thoughts on how it's going to work but they don't matter because I don't know nor does anybody on the board. They may validate there reasoning by past experience but things are changing in the Regional Airline game. Let them turn away or hire a larger percentage of SSP pilots and we can talk about this later.
04-27-2013, 03:55 PM
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Personally I really don't care about the SSP, but for people that really want to go to DAL this obviously has it bad and good points... One good one being that DALs past history has shown they hire very little Pinnacle people... This will tilt the scale a bit for those who want it.
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