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FAULTPUSH 05-19-2013 08:03 PM

That ad is verging on libelous. Not quite enough to sue over it, but close.

SeaRider 05-19-2013 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1412553)
That ad is verging on libelous. Not quite enough to sue over it, but close.

Please, do tell, oh F9 aviation Wonder-God. Please tell how the public, to which this is addressed, is being so misled? Or is just that us RAH low-lifers deserve the worst of the worst?

TillerEnvy 05-20-2013 07:20 AM



Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1412276)
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).

At .65? Seriously? I call BS

I cannot tell you how many times I have been stuck behind a Chautauqua, Brickyard, or Mercury heading into LGA or DCA who claimed .62-.68 when asked for their speed. My minimum is .72-.74 depending on weight and model. You should hear the stink they put up when ATC asked them to do at least .75. This is pilot generated.
Butt out regional lifer. Worry about your own speeds and we'll worry about ours. Actually, please keep posting. It's fun to laugh at.

Captain Tony 05-20-2013 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1412684)
Butt out regional lifer. Worry about your own speeds and we'll worry about ours. Actually, please keep posting. It's fun to laugh at.

Bottom feeders.

flynavyj 05-20-2013 03:43 PM

I don't know if there's a good way to fix the pilot pay conundrum. There are currently enough regional pilots to fill the massive vacancies that could come up at the majors...the pilots who'll leave will be the regional captains looking to move on and up. The FO's who are behind them will be happy to see them leave so they can upgrade and finally make a livable wage...the FO's will be relishing in how wealthy they've suddenly become, and at which point life will be peachy. If the major hiring continues for long enough, the FO's former FO's will have the ability to move on as well, once they have the prerequisite flight requirements...once that happens the upgrade times at the respective regional airlines become so short that it seems like a good deal for new hires to start running to their ranks again...and the crap pay seems livable...at least for the short period of time you're an FO.

The only way this really works is a mass exodus of pilots from the regionals via resignations, and that just isn't going to happen...unless upgrades at all the regionals stretches to 10 years plus...then you might see some adjustment, and people who are unwilling to suffer in the "suck".

sqwkvfr 05-20-2013 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1412553)
That ad is verging on libelous. Not quite enough to sue over it, but close.

Kinda like the DFR lawsuit that you guys keep shooting your mouths off over?

...or the IBT national over-ruling the local on the LBFO when that didn't happen?

...or the HIMS program that you guys claimed that RJET didn't have that had been up and running for nearly a year?

Keep coming with this stuff, fellas...it's entertaining.

block30 05-20-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 1412965)
I don't know if there's a good way to fix the pilot pay conundrum. There are currently enough regional pilots to fill the massive vacancies that could come up at the majors...the pilots who'll leave will be the regional captains looking to move on and up. The FO's who are behind them will be happy to see them leave so they can upgrade and finally make a livable wage...the FO's will be relishing in how wealthy they've suddenly become, and at which point life will be peachy. If the major hiring continues for long enough, the FO's former FO's will have the ability to move on as well, once they have the prerequisite flight requirements...once that happens the upgrade times at the respective regional airlines become so short that it seems like a good deal for new hires to start running to their ranks again...and the crap pay seems livable...at least for the short period of time you're an FO.

The only way this really works is a mass exodus of pilots from the regionals via resignations, and that just isn't going to happen...unless upgrades at all the regionals stretches to 10 years plus...then you might see some adjustment, and people who are unwilling to suffer in the "suck".

Interesting points..

nbecca 05-20-2013 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1412276)
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).

Huh, and I thought I was being supportive and helpful.

Oh well.

FAULTPUSH 05-21-2013 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1412576)
Please tell how the public, to which this is addressed, is being so misled?

The ad says "chances are" your pilot takes home less than $1000 per month. The average person on the street would probably take that to mean it's somewhere around a 50/50 chance. It's pretty fuzzy wording, aimed to mislead. Like I said, it's verging on libel, and you can't sue for that. I'm sure the lawyers looked it over first.

Something similar happened at Mesa once, where someone said to the media that there were Mesa pilots on food stamps. The CEO wanted a lawsuit, or to have someone fired, but as it turned out, THAT statement was 100% concise, and 100% accurate.


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1412576)
Please, do tell, oh F9 aviation Wonder-God.

I had hoped that my identity was anonymous here, but you've evidently figured out who I am.


Originally Posted by SeaRider (Post 1412576)
Or is just that us RAH low-lifers deserve the worst of the worst?

You deserve a heck of a lot better than IBT. Hopefully you are far enough past the scare tactics of two years ago to have the common sense to fire the IBT as your representation. That's the part in this whole mess that I find most frustrating, but I guess it's understandable given the lack of experience that the majority of your pilots probably have with airline union representation. I was in your shoes at one point too (3 unions ago).

TillerEnvy 05-21-2013 09:43 PM



Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1412276)
People are clueless. We fly using ACARS generated Econ speeds; per the company; and these speeds are slow as molasses. Quit speculating on your own about what we should do. We're flying by the book. (Unless I have a flight to catch).

Huh, and I thought I was being supportive and helpful.

Oh well.
Wasn't necessarily directed at you. A moron started complaining how we fly and the speeds we fly and I was sick of the sheep following in step. It's a really bad time at this company right now and most of us are on edge.


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