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AFOX1BRAVO 05-22-2013 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 1413783)
As a United pilot, it's sad to see these airplanes go to anyone at all.

However, its even worse to see them go to a non-union carrier.

Just sickening.


You guys voted for a contract to give these planes away now you're sad? BTW those non-union pilots make more money with better work rules than their union competitors. Really makes me sick...

ross9238 05-22-2013 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1414067)
"just because we don't always get it right doesn't mean we aren't trying........"

I could see my kids using this very line. :D

pete2800 05-22-2013 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA (Post 1414063)
Nevets save your drivel for your dog hes the only one thats listens to you. Why? Because he has no choice! You glow with ignorance when you compare SWA to OO in terms of a union. Leverage? Hows that levearge working for Pinnacle? Oh yeah it didnt they took it up the poop shoot with no say what so ever.

Pinnacle voted for what they got. They volunteered.

Just because you have a union doesn't mean you can't also be stupid.



Originally Posted by trip (Post 1413397)
I think we all wish we would be flying these for majors with mainline senority numbers but that ship has sailed numerous times. Until the mainline guys decide to bring use onboard, make the best of it.

Do you actually believe this? That mainline will eventually vote to 'bring us onboard?' No way man. Show me one round of contract negotiations that has ended with a more seat-restrictive scope clause than when it started. As long as people are dumb enough to keep lining up to fly RJ's for CPA carriers, that's exactly what we'll get.

MR JT8D 05-22-2013 02:36 PM

The race to the bottom is now OVER!!!!!!!!!! Expressjet and Republic are flying with no contractual raises. The dust has settled, the EMB-175's are gone..... Done end of game. No more *****ing on web-boards. The game is over for the next 10 years. Eat Ramen and hope you get an upgrade in the next 10 to 12 years. Have fun paying your Riddle loan off.

Nevets 05-22-2013 03:23 PM


Nevets save your drivel for your dog hes the only one thats listens to you. Why? Because he has no choice! You glow with ignorance when you compare SWA to OO in terms of a union. Leverage? Hows that levearge working for Pinnacle? Oh yeah it didnt they took it up the poop shoot with no say what so ever.
It worked better than it would have if they weren't union. Ignorance? How about your ignorance of the fact that the judge turned down the initial contract abrogation. Without a union, pinnacle pilots wouldn't even have had the right to have the judge rule in the company's 1113 motion, much less get a small victory in it.

But if personal attacks is all you got instead of stating your position, then go ahead with the ad hominim arguments.



Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1413993)
No, but without an NMB recognized union, you don't have any leverage.

Trust me...having NMB recognition really doesn't mean squat.
Oh really? So I guess having the ability to make your case before the bk judge or before an arbitrator in major disputes or having a third party decide if your firing was justified doesnt mean anything? Without a union, the company just imposes what they want on the work group in bk. And without a union, there is no major dispute because the company doesn't have disputes with themselves. They just do whatever they need to do without your say. And as an at will employee, you either take it or quit.

saturn 05-22-2013 08:24 PM

And then then all of a sudden... the derailed comments about unions ceased,and were heard of no more on this thread.


So this deal with United appears to not require any parking of 50 seaters. SKW did mention that they will be open to giving some CRJ200s back when their leases are up..but it doesn't look like thats apart of the negotiated deal. I wonder where the rest of the 60 175s could end up.

Nevets 05-22-2013 09:17 PM


And then then all of a sudden... the derailed comments about unions ceased,and were heard of no more on this thread.


So this deal with United appears to not require any parking of 50 seaters. SKW did mention that they will be open to giving some CRJ200s back when their leases are up..but it doesn't look like thats apart of the negotiated deal. I wonder where the rest of the 60 175s could end up.
The 50 seaters being parked are probably XJT's 145s.

jsled 05-23-2013 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by AFOX1BRAVO (Post 1414167)
You guys voted for a contract to give these planes away now you're sad? BTW those non-union pilots make more money with better work rules than their union competitors. Really makes me sick...

We are just trying to keep up with the Jones'....err...the Delta's. Between UAL, DAL, AMR, ALK, etc. Skywest will have barbie jet jobs for years to come! That 5 year upgrade will shrink in no time and you'll be well on your way to $100/hr (at 15 yrs).

Sled

Surprise 05-23-2013 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1414468)
We are just trying to keep up with the Jones'....err...the Delta's. Between UAL, DAL, AMR, ALK, etc. Skywest will have barbie jet jobs for years to come! That 5 year upgrade will shrink in no time and you'll be well on your way to $100/hr (at 15 yrs).

Sled

You know, what I take from this, even after filtering through the sarcasm, is that it's ok that you guys help maintain the culture that keeps some of us on a B-scale forever because Delta did it first.

That seems like a great attitude.

lolwut 05-23-2013 07:20 AM

The loser in all this being... the airline pilot profession.


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