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flyingreasemnky 05-21-2013 08:28 AM

My question is where will they find sims to get people trained? The sims are so backlogged throughout the world (Yes, the entire world) that it will be hard to get training done unless they start building new sims now.

Skudrunning 05-21-2013 08:41 AM

And from a oo pilot, wish they were mainline flying as well

303flyboy 05-21-2013 08:44 AM

I heard we are getting our own sims in Denver and Houston. Well see.

flyingreasemnky 05-21-2013 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by 303flyboy (Post 1413464)
I heard we are getting our own sims in Denver and Houston. Well see.

Those will have to be new sims being built because there are none there right now.

avi8tor4life 05-21-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1413452)
There will be hiring unless we make some deal to return 200's on a one-for-one or two-for-one basis...but I think that would have been part of the package deal and announced up front.

You read what Skippy wrote in his email:

"We have to keep the conversation open about ways we can become and stay competitive – because it will be up to us to decide if these aircraft become replacement flying or new growth"

Watch for the threats of parking airplanes unless we take a hit in Pay Negotiations this fall. Even though we got the planes on order they are going to use them as bait material for concessions.

rcfd13 05-21-2013 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Ultralight (Post 1413434)
Yes, they're out there. I remember back around 2005, guys didn't want to go to Colgan or Mesa because they flew turbo props. Now its the 50 seat jet thats frowned upon. I have heard stories from friends at RAH that new hires have rejected class offeres for the ERJ and Q400 becuase they want to fly the E175. Its the only reason they apply there. Its certainly not for the work rules.

What's the point of that mindset? I would be perfectly happy staying on my turboprop if it paid as well as the jet. The only reason I'll transition is for a pay raise. You can't beat most of the overnights on the Bro.

DashTrash 05-21-2013 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1413410)
Not sure if my sarcasm meters working here?

But on the off chance you're serious....UAL is not going to give any flying to an "airline" which does not possess an operating cert and has never flown a single RPM :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, I am serious. I also find it hard to believe that could be true. But if it is, my theory holds true. The cheapest ***** on the block gets the work.

BlueMoon 05-21-2013 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 1413346)
FWIW, one of our CPs said that he's hearing California Pacific is rumored to get the flying for the 30 E175s. Which could be interesting because they are still doing proving runs. He has heard from the one of the higher ups at TSH that we did not get the flying.

The rumor I heard that what UAL was asking for rate wise was under all the submitted bids.

I also don't believe anyone under the VP level knows anything about how much their own companies bid was, let alone how much competing companies bid.

rickair7777 05-21-2013 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky (Post 1413457)
My question is where will they find sims to get people trained? The sims are so backlogged throughout the world (Yes, the entire world) that it will be hard to get training done unless they start building new sims now.

SKW will do that if needed.

Slats 05-21-2013 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 1413599)
But if it is, my theory holds true. The cheapest ***** on the block gets the work.

If that's the case Great Lakes would be booming with business


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