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Old 06-01-2013 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PeopleMover90
Before anyone makes a snide commuter remark again, please remember...how the hell does this affect you? its a simple walk to the top of the jetbridge, or knowing someone is trying to get on and doing what you can to help them out. just cause youre lucky enough to have never been furloughed twice, forced out of domicile involuntarily with a family, and left with commuting as your only option..... squawk 7600.
It affects me when I have to fly with someone too tired to do their job the first day. I don't care what the story is, if you are not fit too fly......DO NOT DO IT. I know everyone has family and priorities are your own. I repeat you choose the life you live. I will not make accommodation for sleepy crewmembers that just commuted in.
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Old 06-01-2013 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
It affects me when I have to fly with someone too tired to do their job the first day. I don't care what the story is, if you are not fit too fly......DO NOT DO IT. I know everyone has family and priorities are your own. I repeat you choose the life you live. I will not make accommodation for sleepy crewmembers that just commuted in.
Most of the complaints I hear are from the guys who live at base that stayed out too late the night before while the commuters always talk about how they slept all the way. So what's your complaint with the guys who are trying to jumpseat home?
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Old 06-01-2013 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
I repeat you choose the life you live. I will not make accommodation for sleepy crewmembers that just commuted in.
Good point.

What do you do if it's a late show trip flying into midnight and your fellow crewmember had to get up early? He/she had wake up and watch the the kids all day while the spouse was at work because they "chose" to move to base and away from friends/family that may be able to help out.

Wait, rich airline pilots (especially FO's) can afford day care all time and/or a nanny, never mind.

Isn't playing devil's advocate fun game?
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Old 06-01-2013 | 08:35 AM
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I don't care what the circumstances are if you are not fit to fly don't show up. If you had to stay awake all day and you are too tired to fly that evening call in sick. IF you find that your lifestyle doesn't allow you to perform your duties satisfactorily maybe a career change is in your future.
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Old 06-01-2013 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
If you had to stay awake all day and you are too tired to fly that evening call in sick.
I would love to hear the phone conversation with the chief pilot for that one.

"I'm calling in sick because I had to stay awake all day."

Vilcas, pull your head out of your fart pipe, smell the coffee, and get yourself a reality check!

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Old 06-01-2013 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultralight
I would love to hear the phone conversation with the chief pilot for that one.

"I'm calling in sick because I had to stay awake all day."

Vilcas, pull your head out of your fart pipe, smell the coffee, and get yourself a reality check!
So you advocate flying while fatigued? If you are fatigued due to work, you call out fatigued. If you're fatigued due to other than work reasons, you call out sick. It is unfair to the rest of your crew to show up to work unable to effectively do your job, commuter or not.

Also, when have you ever had to explain why you are calling out sick? The most an employer can ask of you is to get a doctor's note, which only has to say you went to the doctor or are under the care of said doctor. Most companies I know of only do that when said employee has called out sick an excessive amount of times in a short period.

Privacy laws prevent you from having to disclose why you called out sick.
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Old 06-01-2013 | 12:38 PM
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[QUOTE=NE_Pilot;1419949]So you advocate flying while fatigued? QUOTE]

Do you advocate coming to work in your sisters underware?

Don't twist my words. Calling out sick because you are tired, due to having to stay awake all day has to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever heard, and I have heard some pretty crazy stuff since joining this forum.

Its right up there with lying to your wife about the rules of comuting. No wonder the divorce rate is high in this industry.
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Old 06-01-2013 | 01:39 PM
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If you are up all day and think you will be unable to perform your shift and do it anyway to avoid being viewed as pathetic then you end up being irresponsible. Being irresponsible when you have other people's lives in your hands is pathetic.
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Old 06-01-2013 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
If you are up all day and think you will be unable to perform your shift and do it anyway to avoid being viewed as pathetic then you end up being irresponsible. Being irresponsible when you have other people's lives in your hands is pathetic.
You call your chief pilot and use that line the next time you've been up all day and let me know how it goes.

Better still, you should write a letter to the FAA and the NTSB and share your concerns. Maybe they will ban commuting altogether, then you will be happy!
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Old 06-01-2013 | 02:06 PM
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One simple solution to the divorce rate is DO NOT GET MARRIED. Have a significant other and when you break up you don't have to let some jerk in a robe boss you around. Marriage isn't much more than a piece of paper anyways. The divorce rate is high for everyone not just for pilots. Having kids when you are commuting to reserve is pretty selfish IMO. At least wait til you hold a line.
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