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So we can assume from your viewpoint that you don't own a home, don't, or never have commuted, aren't married, and don't have kids. I bet your on time performance is stellar though. Well done! (SARCASM!)Originally Posted by LarryDavid
Sorry but commuters don't deserve to be treated "special". Yes it is a choice. When one gets hired you are told what the bases are. Lots of people have to move for jobs, that is what we call life. Pilots have every right to commute but I have absolutely zero sympathy when they whine about said commute. If a guy from LA knowingly takes a job in DTW or EWR then he can either move of deal with the drama that comes with commuting.
I hope one night you are stuck in the terminal, watching the last flight home push back with empty seats on it as the captain shrugs his shoulders at you through the window.
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Do you sign the log can too?
I think he meant I as in WE. I do it sometimes myself.Originally Posted by bernouli
It wasn't exactly you delaying the flight then. Was it. Do you sign the log can too?
If you find yourself in difficult circumstances. FIX IT. Don't expect everyone else to give you special treatment. I am not advocating denying someone help who is in need but it shouldn't become the new norm. If you get uprooted because of base closure or another situation that requires you to have to move then make your choice. Seek employment elsewhere or move. Don't stay where you are and then make your commute everyone else's problem. Don't commute in a way you show up too work unfit.
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Do you sign the log can too?
Only a GoJet'er would make this comment.... Originally Posted by bernouli
It wasn't exactly you delaying the flight then. Was it. Do you sign the log can too?
@ OO both Captain and First officer sign "the can"
[QUOTE=vilcas;1419131]If you find yourself in difficult circumstances. FIX IT. QUOTE]
And how do you propose you FIX IT when you are based 1,500 miles away from home? Buy a ticket to and from work with your $20,000 a year salary?
No one is asking for "special treatment" here. Just a little help from the people who can make it happen.
And how do you propose you FIX IT when you are based 1,500 miles away from home? Buy a ticket to and from work with your $20,000 a year salary?
No one is asking for "special treatment" here. Just a little help from the people who can make it happen.
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@ OO both Captain and First officer sign "the can"
LOL. Ok...Originally Posted by Slats
Only a GoJet'er would make this comment.... @ OO both Captain and First officer sign "the can"
Only a skywest FO would have a false sense of authority.
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Originally Posted by Ultralight
A captain that knowingly leaves behind commuters is spineless and selfish. Grow a pair or stay in the right seat. Making decisions that might get questioned through an ACARS message is part of the job. There are a million and one excuses for a 5 minute delay. Pick one and type away. The person you did it for will be very grateful.
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Originally Posted by LarryDavid
Truth is people make the choice to commute, sometimes they just don't make it on the flight. I do all that I can to get everyone on board but I don't weep for the choices people make. You can justify it all you want but at the end of the day people make the choice to commute instead of putting the for sale sign in front of their house. Commuters don't deserve any better treatment than anybody else
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Someone like that deserves a bit of help getting back home to said kids and wives after a 4 day, or 5 days of reserve in a crash pad, and the last thing they need is a d-bag attitude like yours.
Originally Posted by Ultralight
Bollocks. People don't make the choice to commute when they live in SoCal, where their wives work and their kids go to school, then they get based in Detroit, or Newark. Someone like that deserves a bit of help getting back home to said kids and wives after a 4 day, or 5 days of reserve in a crash pad, and the last thing they need is a d-bag attitude like yours.
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Originally Posted by LarryDavid
Sorry but commuters don't deserve to be treated "special". Yes it is a choice. When one gets hired you are told what the bases are. Lots of people have to move for jobs, that is what we call life. Pilots have every right to commute but I have absolutely zero sympathy when they whine about said commute. If a guy from LA knowingly takes a job in DTW or EWR then he can either move of deal with the drama that comes with commuting.
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Originally Posted by vilcas
If people didn't chase jobs with such reckless abandon then maybe the airlines would be forced to improve the situation. By this I mean they would pay for you too move. The conditions at the airlines will continue to deteriorate if passion for flying outweighs any negative working condition. I would also outlaw long commutes. Too many pilots are irresponsible and start their day tired do to long commutes. If you can responsibly make a long commute work on your own then you should have the integrity to move or find a different job. Don't complain about the pay after you already accepted the job.
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Ultralight, thank you.Originally Posted by vilcas
If you find yourself in difficult circumstances. FIX IT. Don't expect everyone else to give you special treatment. I am not advocating denying someone help who is in need but it shouldn't become the new norm. If you get uprooted because of base closure or another situation that requires you to have to move then make your choice. Seek employment elsewhere or move. Don't stay where you are and then make your commute everyone else's problem. Don't commute in a way you show up too work unfit.
I cant believe what I am reading. ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS?!?! We have kids, wives, families, houses, and sometimes don't have the apparent luxury that you do to not commute!!! my gosh. I really hope you try to get on one of my flights.... i'll be sure to push early.
Us commuters STICK TOGETHER because of insensitive people like you...we as AN INDUSTRY need to stick together for improvements to be made. but obviously, you don't care about everyone. you only care about you. youre probably the type to vote "no" on a contract based on how it affects your life and 110% your life only.
About the comment of being tired and commuting in late.... if you only have 2 off days and your daughters birthday is on one of those two, you arnt going to just stay in your crashpad and eat more chef Boyardee. you are going to go home... as a result, yes, sometimes its tough commuting but we do it.
Thank you to any crew who has helped me on my commute to or from work, it means more than anything to be able to block in and run home.
Before anyone makes a snide commuter remark again, please remember...how the hell does this affect you? its a simple walk to the top of the jetbridge, or knowing someone is trying to get on and doing what you can to help them out. just cause youre lucky enough to have never been furloughed twice, forced out of domicile involuntarily with a family, and left with commuting as your only option..... squawk 7600.
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Only a skywest FO would have a false sense of authority.
Please please take mercy on us 50 seat drivers... Who make more than you. Originally Posted by bernouli
LOL. Ok...Only a skywest FO would have a false sense of authority.
Not an OO pilot either..
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Not an OO pilot either..
Pretty clever there ol' sport. Originally Posted by BTpilot
Please please take mercy on us 50 seat drivers... Who make more than you. Not an OO pilot either..
That last response wasn't for you. Try reading slower.
FOs by you make 70 an hour?
When I lived at my base I always tried to help commuters. Then, suddenly I became a commuter after 4 years. I guess LD would have me quit my job and find another one at the place where my airline last dumped me off...oh, but wait...there weren't any flying jobs there! And why should I have to START ALL OVER AGAIN at the bottom when I am allowed the option of commuting when I am not at the mercy of a tight a$$ed captain or a gate agent who is having a bad day? LD, you must be a real pleasure to work with.
