Oh okay, I'll just find another job. I never thought of that, thanks! Boy this free market stuff is AWESOME. BTW, it's not a free market when labor cannot strike.

And yes, that was a period at the end of that sentence.

Let the thread tangent explode.

One more thing, your opinion is like everybody's anus. We all have them and yours especially wreaks.

So let me get this straight. Someone post a thread complaining about getting left behind on their commute and we are supposed to jump on the lets attack the crew for doing that? Tell me how many times the average person gets in their car and drives home from work only to get stuck in gridlock after an accident happens? Do you see them posting a thread somewhere about it? Nope. And if they did I would still say its weak. How many times has anyone commuting had their commute stretched out to 2-3X its normal length because of a missed jumpseat or some other crap(ie, gate agent). Honestly, its part of the industry either accept it or find another job where you don't have to hop on a plane to get home.

And yes its a free market and some other SJS kid will take your place. These are the facts. Enjoy the industry you voluntarily joined!

Bottom line...I delay my flight to get you on.

You delay your flight to get me on.

This industry is only tolerable if we help each other out.

These are the facts. Still not a free market. Nice try though.

You're clearly not a commuter.

BTW, I don't have SJS...I fly the mightiest Beech on the planet. Not a whole lot of people lining up for that.

While I think it is a bit aggressive to start a thread and blame the crew, this topic is one that needs to be addressed. In the end of the day, no one knows what is happening up front unless your mic'd up and there. Who knows what actually happened.

But... I will say there is a defined difference between commuting captains and non commuting captains. I've had captains bend over backwards to help me get to work/go home, and I've had other crew that really could have cared less whether I got on or not. I have a two leg commute and let me tell you, the joys of trying to make two gate agents understand how important it is to get me on is exhausting. I do it 16-20 times per month depending on my schedule.

THANK YOU to all who "never leave a man behind... And make the walk." I put those ALPA slogan Jumpseat committee stickers everywhere I could. I don't care who you are, company guy or not, commuters stick together and please don't insult us by trying to say jump seating is a negotiated benefit, or that commuting is risky. Yes it's risky, but one of those risks should not include an oblivious/indifferent crew. If I fly with a captain that doesn't really care, I myself check and make sure we are getting on any commuters.

Lets stick together.

Commuters unite.

Buy them a box of chocolates works for me lol

I'm not sure how it works at your company but at my company we usually use email or cell phones to contact the ALPA Professional Standards and Jump Seat committees. Anonymous message boards are nearly as effective at solving problems as a bat signal.

With 6 hrs at the gate, that is more then enough time for the gate agent to get the n/r on. There has to be more to the story because we all do whatever we can to get everyone on.

What if they missed a wheels up time and then timed out while trying to get the non-revs on? I agree it sucks but if faced with that choice and a hostile gate agent, what is the crew to do? The Captain can control the jumpseat but not the seats in the back. On a clear blue day with all the time in the world then yes I would agree. It sounds like there were a lot of factors in play in this situation.

I was faced with a similar situation once but with a very nice gate agent. She got the non-revs on then seated them in the computer after we pushed (at least that is what she was going to do).

You probably don't have SJS, but there are plenty that do and will sit in your rightseat for free if given the opportunity. Besides your only setting yourself up for disappointment by expecting people to do something you'd do. This industry eats its young...

And please folks give up on the "We got to stick together", that went out the window a long time ago. If that was the case you'd all stay home and not fly that +70 seater for chump change if you really wanted to support each other. Maybe if people did wages would go up.

As a non-airline professional pilot, who buys tickets to get somewhere on business or personal, I'm pretty sure the pax and management may ultimately have a say in that. The airline business isn't run for the benefit of commuting employees

GF