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Old 06-30-2013 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Gotta love the feeling of entitlement seen by kids these days. Because >I< can't get a job, it must mean the entire system is broken. It's not me that is not hire-able, it's the broken system. I deserve the job.
Not a kid, which may be part of my problem as well as for others who are not getting jobs at these airlines. I believe they do pick up older experienced pilots with prior turbine to show, but rarely without. We take too long to train & they know people 22-35 are cheaper. But save the entitlement crap- you can come up with better criticisms of me than trotting out a cheap cliche, we all have reasonable expectations for returns on what we do. I earned everything I have through driving trucks and working hard. It was all on me.

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I just don't understand how you can get a job? I know people getting hired everywhere left and right. Maybe it's a sign to look elsewhere.
Maybe so.
Got hired with no turbine experience. Even if they are short of applicants, that doesn't mean that they will get the first person that show up to interview. When I interviewed only 2 of us passed it, out of 7.

The first one to go was a Navy pilot that had issues with his logbook. Same with a friend of mine that did not brought one if his two logbooks.

Be prepared, take your time and disclose every skeleton you have in the app.

Good luck! Hope you get hired soon. Just keep trying.
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Old 06-30-2013 | 06:16 AM
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You guys are encouraging and I appreciate it. Persistence pays off, so even if this round of finding an airline flying position was unsuccessful I'll definitely try again in a year or two. Someone else PM'ed me a couple of interview prep ideas I will look into, and thanks for the tip.
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Old 07-01-2013 | 05:59 PM
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I got the impression that RAH wasn't too hip on hiring old dudes. Of course I didn't fly their SIM with busted trim worth a damn.
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Old 07-01-2013 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Got hired with no turbine experience. Even if they are short of applicants, that doesn't mean that they will get the first person that show up to interview. When I interviewed only 2 of us passed it, out of 7.

The first one to go was a Navy pilot that had issues with his logbook. Same with a friend of mine that did not brought one if his two logbooks.

Be prepared, take your time and disclose every skeleton you have in the app.

Good luck! Hope you get hired soon. Just keep trying.
Did we interview on the same day There were 7 of us and I was the first one gone, a Navy pilot at the time but since retired. They never told me why I was gone but I was hired by the three other Regional airlines I interviewed with, PSA, Republic and AWAC who had no issues with my log book, sim, etc. My buddy and fellow Navy pilot (S-3/T-45/C-12) was hired by Skywest, interviewed at American Eagle and got booted then was recently hired by United. So AE would not take him but United would. I think he did just fine in the end
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Old 07-01-2013 | 07:39 PM
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Ok gentleman, heres some personal tips to getting hired at an airline....

1) Prepare, or atleast make it look like you prepared...

-Have all your logbooks numbered (#1,2,3etc)
-Tab all your checkrides (PPL,MEL,COM etc) Make it easy for the interviewers to locate what they are looking for. I've done this for every interview and every time they say they are thankful.

-Print/copy all licenses, medicals, DMV license, SS Card... They may or may not except your copies. But in my experience they usually do. And the HR ladies that collect this stuff will appreciate it.

- Have all the paperwork, copies etc, organiized neatly in your folder/briefcase or whatever you bring to the interview... Keep them neat and crumpled free.

2) Be confident, but don't be cocky or come off as a know-it-all... Nobody in the room will be impressed about your time flying a B99 at Ameriflight single pilot... Now an F22 or U2 is a different story

3) Be humble. You are not the most experienced guy in the room. And even if you are, play the game.

4) Smile, and laugh. Nobody wants to spend 4+ days with someone who is a stick in the mud. Even though it's an interview, it doesn't mean you can't show some emotion.

5) It's ok to be nervous. In fact if you get dry mouth, or start to sweat, play it off. Mention how nervous you are because you can't swallow. Being noticeably nervous (to an extent) may end up helping because it shows that you care about getting hired.

6)Remember everyone is watching! Interact with the other applicants, be nice to everyone in the building. The Legacy I'm at had a prominant Training Dept lady seem like nothing more than an HR paper collector at the front door. It turned out she takes care of a ton of stuff in the training dept.

The other stuff like knowing how to brief approaches, fly the sim, FAR's etc.. Is up to you and how much leg work you put in.. Gouge is out there for just about every job. The easiest part is the technical stuff. You need to have answers for the TMAAT, where do you see yourselves in 5 years type questions.

Most importantly, if you try to be "too cool" and are trying to be so relaxed that you seem to not care about the interview or job, 9 times outta 10 those guys seem to fail. I've seen it happen. I've heard those guys come out of the interviews saying "that was a breeze, I got it no doubt"...
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Old 07-05-2013 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Without getting too public about this-

• that famously sour-faced HR lady would not take a copy of my pilot license and said as far as she is concerned I am not a pilot. She did accept one of those emergency FAA license faxes I had sent to her on the same day, but still no job. I suspect she took it as poor interview prep on my part, but I only had a few days to prepare after a wallet theft so there is only so much I could do.
She's unprofessional and should be terminated. She also shows a poor grasp of aviation regulations, and will not allow a different interpretation or an applicant to simply show her what a regulation actually says. If any two PROFESSIONAL PILOTS, which she is NOT, see things different, the books come out. They won't bicker or insist they are right without allowing their peer to teach them something. I'll hesitate with specifics so RAH can't identify me.

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I have decided to try and digitize all my logbooks so there is less chance of human error next time around. With over 150 fine print pages to manually type this takes some time, but it is a good thing for any aspiring pilot to do.
Me too, and I've eliminated everything that isn't single or multi engine powered fixed wing time, so that I don't lose opportunities in the future for my multi and single engine time not adding up to my total. Yes, this has happened to me.
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Old 07-06-2013 | 05:59 AM
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My digitizing logbooks project was pretty time consuming. I hired a girl off Craigslist to do the basic data entry in Excel, she charged $80 for about 5 hours work. It went to her already set up by me with about ten pages of flights entered, plus I had a friend to help me do maybe a 3 more pages after that, and then I finished it by doing all the proof checking myself which took several days working in spurts. I should start a business. Realistically, it costs upwards of a dollar per line item or flight to do this kind of work properly, plus any time spent making special functions like tracking times by type and so on. I have a summary page I plan to print for my next interview, and I have been toying with the idea of offering a complete printout of the entire digital log for any interviewer who starts any kind of doubtful pawing around in my paper logs. I have never heard of anyone doing that, so I wonder if it is a useful tactic.
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Old 07-06-2013 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Ok gentleman, heres some personal tips to getting hired at an airline....

1) Prepare, or atleast make it look like you prepared...

-Have all your logbooks numbered (#1,2,3etc)
-Tab all your checkrides (PPL,MEL,COM etc) Make it easy for the interviewers to locate what they are looking for. I've done this for every interview and every time they say they are thankful.

-Print/copy all licenses, medicals, DMV license, SS Card... They may or may not except your copies. But in my experience they usually do. And the HR ladies that collect this stuff will appreciate it.

- Have all the paperwork, copies etc, organiized neatly in your folder/briefcase or whatever you bring to the interview... Keep them neat and crumpled free.

2) Be confident, but don't be cocky or come off as a know-it-all... Nobody in the room will be impressed about your time flying a B99 at Ameriflight single pilot... Now an F22 or U2 is a different story

3) Be humble. You are not the most experienced guy in the room. And even if you are, play the game.

4) Smile, and laugh. Nobody wants to spend 4+ days with someone who is a stick in the mud. Even though it's an interview, it doesn't mean you can't show some emotion.

5) It's ok to be nervous. In fact if you get dry mouth, or start to sweat, play it off. Mention how nervous you are because you can't swallow. Being noticeably nervous (to an extent) may end up helping because it shows that you care about getting hired.

6)Remember everyone is watching! Interact with the other applicants, be nice to everyone in the building. The Legacy I'm at had a prominant Training Dept lady seem like nothing more than an HR paper collector at the front door. It turned out she takes care of a ton of stuff in the training dept.

The other stuff like knowing how to brief approaches, fly the sim, FAR's etc.. Is up to you and how much leg work you put in.. Gouge is out there for just about every job. The easiest part is the technical stuff. You need to have answers for the TMAAT, where do you see yourselves in 5 years type questions.

Most importantly, if you try to be "too cool" and are trying to be so relaxed that you seem to not care about the interview or job, 9 times outta 10 those guys seem to fail. I've seen it happen. I've heard those guys come out of the interviews saying "that was a breeze, I got it no doubt"...

Quick question on the tabbing checkrides... I have my paper log with all my endorsements, CFI signatures, checkrides, etc. I stopped logging in that after my Comm-MEL ride and switched to and electronic logbook which has all flights (training and professional) and the paper log essentially has all my flight training. Would it be wise to bring that paper log and a print out of the e-log, or just the e-log with the check flights tabbed and endorsements photocopied?
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Old 07-06-2013 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bunk22
I did the AE interview 2 months before retiring from the Navy and they kicked me out like you read about I did the sim, had no issues then they asked me to leave but would not give me a reason so who knows. I was hired by all the other Regionals I interviewed with, PSA, Republic and AWAC. My buddy was also about to retire from the Navy, he was booted too but had already been hired by Skywest and now, he is in training for United Good luck to you though, they seem to have a good rep and some good bases.
Could be because they think you'll just leave for United soon.


For the other posters--->One of the biggest problems I am hearing is logbooks look fake. The word fake was not used but more like "just didn't look right".
Just like any airline when asked why Eagle? Just be enthusiastic and touch on the positive points for you.

Eagle is a great place to work. But I'm not sure sure about the next few years for new hires. It could be good and could be ugly. It's going to shrink for sure.
They say they are not meeting their hiring goals but something is amiss.... We are short staffed for Captains but too many FOs right now. A long time since an upgrade bid was announced. It's peak travel season.
Parking a lot of airplanes over the next couple years.
Parker is asking for more consessions. They want Pinnacle pay for new hires.. A "B" scale for EAgle in essence. (really D scale).
Seems the group will hold firm on this so far unless they are offered something really good. The last offer was to flow to US and/or AA with 25 per month instead of the 20 and 60 Large RJs. Rejected immediately by our MEC. They're still negotiating. Good luck to all.
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Old 07-06-2013 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by coryk
Quick question on the tabbing checkrides... I have my paper log with all my endorsements, CFI signatures, checkrides, etc. I stopped logging in that after my Comm-MEL ride and switched to and electronic logbook which has all flights (training and professional) and the paper log essentially has all my flight training. Would it be wise to bring that paper log and a print out of the e-log, or just the e-log with the check flights tabbed and endorsements photocopied?
If it were me I'd bring the paper logs too. Worst case they won't want to see them...Better to have them and not need them, than not have them and they get disgruntled.

I've decided to stay paper and not go computerized... There always seems to be confusion/questions on here from guys with computerized logs (or they worry that airline interviewers won't accept them).. Whereas there is never any doubt with paper. (Hoping I never need a log book again, but ya never know in this business)

Good luck
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