SAPA 'Negotiations' Update
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And, like its been said before, that's because our CEO was forced to sign the 16% skywest pilot parity concession CPA that JA negotiated with CAL. If it wasn't for the whipsaw of Skywest pilots against XJT pilots, XJT wouldn't have been unprofitable. As it was, XJT was still losing about $12M/yr after our 7% ($10M/yr concession).
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And, like its been said before, that's because our CEO was forced to sign the 16% skywest pilot parity concession CPA that JA negotiated with CAL. If it wasn't for the whipsaw of Skywest pilots against XJT pilots, XJT wouldn't have been unprofitable. As it was, XJT was still losing about $12M/yr after our 7% ($10M/yr concession).
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ALPA is the solution? Yup its official you're several beers short of a six pack nevets! Expressjet would have filed for bankruptcy if they had not been bought out. It was not turning a profit. You're so full of BS it's sad.
#164
Yes, out maneuvered by CAL and JA's low ball CPA. The company's CPA with CAL was profitable up until they signed Skywest's CPA. Like I said, Skywest broke it and now bought it. I'm giving Skywest credit already for making us unprofitable. Why should we be thankful for them undoing what they did? And all thanks to being whipsawed by a cheaper Skywest pilot group who has refused to be part of the solution of this profession on three separate occasions.
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Anyway, Skywest caused the CAL CPA to lose money. Trust me, CAL wouldve never let XJT go out of business. The alternative would have been painful to them as well.
So I'll concede this much, better skywest than any other regional. Happy now? I'm happy because now skywest has to deal with the mess they created rather than some other regional.
What in the world are you talking about? You're complaining that another company got the best of you? Okay I Get it. When SkyWest has a downturn I wouldn't want others to cheer at the pain. But you've got to wake up and take your blinders off. Your company (including the pilots) was not running a sustainable business. You're management built a good model that turned obsolete and they were not smart enough to change with the times. They weren't able to contain cost, pilot pay being one of them. A competitor ate their lunch. You should be grateful you're on a winning team, for the time being. Through the work of thousands of others, you're able to continue the old obsolete ways a little longer. And when you fail to adapt you eventually get forced into a Pinnicle deal and then you really lower the bar for us all.
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Our CEO was doing whats best for the shareholders, just as our current CEO does, nothing more. And what I'm talking about is being whipsawed by a cheaper skywest pilot group. Thats the only reason why the CAL CPA ended up losing money. Hence, skywest bought it and now they own it. Our pilots have nothing to do with running a sustainable business. We show up, do our job and go home. But if your idea of a sustainable model is cheaper pilot labor, then I would rather not accommodate that anymore. We did that already while still maintaining better compensation than any other regional pilot group. For me, it couldn't have turned out any better since those responsible for our loses are now dealing with it. Poetic justice. If management wants to save more money, don't come us XJT pilots, go to the two sets of management teams first.
1) Your old CEO and new CEO have a title in common. That's about it. Your old one ran a business into the ground.
2) I think pilots are a huge part of the success of the airline business. Captains are right up there with top executives in the direct correlation between making or loosing money.
3) Just think your game plan out a few steps. How long is your new CEO going to continue to allow you to loose money? All those rampers, gate agents, flight attendants who have mouths to feed.. you're going to continue a loosing strategy and jeopardize all their futures just so you don't have to look at yourself honestly and adapt?
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I never said ALPA was the solution. What I said is that skywest pilots coat tail off of us union pilots.
Anyway, Skywest caused the CAL CPA to lose money. Trust me, CAL wouldve never let XJT go out of business. The alternative would have been painful to them as well.
So I'll concede this much, better skywest than any other regional. Happy now? I'm happy because now skywest has to deal with the mess they created rather than some other regional.
Our CEO was doing whats best for the shareholders, just as our current CEO does, nothing more. And what I'm talking about is being whipsawed by a cheaper skywest pilot group. Thats the only reason why the CAL CPA ended up losing money. Hence, skywest bought it and now they own it. Our pilots have nothing to do with running a sustainable business. We show up, do our job and go home. But if your idea of a sustainable model is cheaper pilot labor, then I would rather not accommodate that anymore. We did that already while still maintaining better compensation than any other regional pilot group. For me, it couldn't have turned out any better since those responsible for our loses are now dealing with it. Poetic justice. If management wants to save more money, don't come us XJT pilots, go to the two sets of management teams first.
Anyway, Skywest caused the CAL CPA to lose money. Trust me, CAL wouldve never let XJT go out of business. The alternative would have been painful to them as well.
So I'll concede this much, better skywest than any other regional. Happy now? I'm happy because now skywest has to deal with the mess they created rather than some other regional.
Our CEO was doing whats best for the shareholders, just as our current CEO does, nothing more. And what I'm talking about is being whipsawed by a cheaper skywest pilot group. Thats the only reason why the CAL CPA ended up losing money. Hence, skywest bought it and now they own it. Our pilots have nothing to do with running a sustainable business. We show up, do our job and go home. But if your idea of a sustainable model is cheaper pilot labor, then I would rather not accommodate that anymore. We did that already while still maintaining better compensation than any other regional pilot group. For me, it couldn't have turned out any better since those responsible for our loses are now dealing with it. Poetic justice. If management wants to save more money, don't come us XJT pilots, go to the two sets of management teams first.
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Our CEO was doing whats best for the shareholders, just as our current CEO does, nothing more. And what I'm talking about is being whipsawed by a cheaper skywest pilot group. Thats the only reason why the CAL CPA ended up losing money. Hence, skywest bought it and now they own it. Our pilots have nothing to do with running a sustainable business. We show up, do our job and go home. But if your idea of a sustainable model is cheaper pilot labor, then I would rather not accommodate that anymore. We did that already while still maintaining better compensation than any other regional pilot group. For me, it couldn't have turned out any better since those responsible for our loses are now dealing with it. Poetic justice. If management wants to save more money, don't come us XJT pilots, go to the two sets of management teams first.
1) Your old CEO and new CEO have a title in common. That's about it. Your old one ran a business into the ground.
2) I think pilots are a huge part of the success of the airline business. Captains are right up there with top executives in the direct correlation between making or loosing money.
3) Just think your game plan out a few steps. How long is your new CEO going to continue to allow you to loose money? All those rampers, gate agents, flight attendants who have mouths to feed.. you're going to continue a loosing strategy and jeopardize all their futures just so you don't have to look at yourself honestly and adapt?
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I honestly hope that the arrogance demonstrated in this and a few other threads is the exception, rather than the rule at Skywest. From a third party viewpoint, this thread reminds me of bullies kicking and beating a fellow classmate. It is not making you look good.
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Let me get this right.... your CEO was 'forced'? Perhaps it was because this same CEO was at the helm that your company was out maneuvered and was withering on the vine. The fact that XJet reduced some costs and still can't manage a profit is an indicator of how close to the edge it was. Looking at the trend lines, XJet will be in the black again shortly.. all without the help of the negative yahoos on this forum. I just hope credit will be given to those who deserve it, the people who kept XJet afloat long enough to undue previous managements mistakes.
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