Nevets,

I apologize if it came over as a personal attack at you. Far from. I am puzzled though how, and why, ad noseum here and on other forums you are trying to spread your hatred against SkyWest... Maybe Republic should have bought you, life would be better for you..

 

You guys are arguing like children in a playground. It's comical to watch.

You DO realize that all of you folks (Skywest, and ASA/Expressjet employees) are only pawns in the day to day business of running an airline. Some of you act like "the chosen ones" and from an outsiders viewpoint, it's laughable.

Go to work. Enjoy your day with your crew, and get away from the pointless bickering on an internet chat forum.

Sheesh.

 

You forgot the part about Skywest negotiating a CPA with cal with 16% concession from the XJT pilots in order to bring them down to parity with Skywest pilots and help cause XJT to become unprofitable. XJT's losses after 9/08 are directly attributable to that. Skywest broke it and now they paid for it.

No need to apologize. It's just an Internet forum. It just gets old reading people's personal attacks after discussing issues. To me,it just shows that you have nothing else to base your argument on so you try to discredit the opponent rather than his argument. It's the classic ad hominim argument.

Anyway, if you read what I've written on this thread and on the one in FI with the same name, you will see where I'm coming from. I believe I've answered your question as nausem. It's the attitudes that irk me. I guess it's the inconsiderate attitude that bothers me. Actually, more so the attitude if those that know what they are taking advantage of at others expense and are still inconsiderate.

 

I was referring to the ASA division of SkyWest, moron. Try to pay attention.

 

Ah, I'm unhappy and disgruntled because I'm arguing with you on a message board. Got it! Dont'cha just love the internet.

Thanks for pontificating on the universally known reasons SkyWest bought ASA. Too bad Jerry poisoned that sweet deal by agreeing to make us the second lowest cost carrier in the DCI portfolio. You'd think such a shrewd businessman would have considered that DAL would just create 3 new carriers to undercut us, making such goal impossible. They just kept moving the goal posts and laughing all the way to the bank. Delta got the best of SkyWest! Doh!

As for your hypothetical shutdown of ASA, having been there, and involved in the union, I'd say not. Comair was shut down for many reasons, few of them had to do with profitability. Delta actually bought Comair to eliminate a competitor. At the time of purchase, very little of Comair and Delta's route map overlapped, and most of Comair's passengers left MCO or CVG on Comair, not Delta. Comair was also making a play to buy Spirit and become a large LCC right in Delta's back yard. The Comair pilots always resented DAL for that, and the strike was the result. That forever changed their relationship as DAL lost almost a billion dollars on that deal. Comair's fate was sealed.

ASA on the other hand was Delta's primary feed in the Southeast, but it was run by two trolls who stuck it to Delta at every turn and only cared about money. Our performance was abysmal. Delta bought ASA in order to gain control and straighten it out, Which they did. And the airline became even more profitable than it was before. They sold us because they needed the cash to finance the bk exit, and because they didn't want to take us down with CMR whose fate was already decided. They actually have a buyback clause in our contract with Jerry. Did you even know that? If they had kept us, we would probably have ended up like Pinnacle.
I'll agree our fate wouldn't have been as good as it is now, but they wouldn't have simply shut us down like Comair.

Now go ahead with another shallow ad-hominem attack since you're incapable of debating with facts, and are incapable of admitting you're wrong.

 

No, that's not it... It's the way you all operate.

 

When you refer to SkyWest track record of not furloughing you can only be talking about Airlines, not ASA.

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Ah, I'm unhappy and disgruntled because I'm arguing with you on a message board. Got it! Dont'cha just love the internet.

You’re telling this to a guy who has provided sources unlike you? You claim that ASA was so important to keeping Delta alive but the truth is Delta lost their ASS on ASA? ASA was earning less than $100M/yr. in profit but Delta was bleeding more than 10X that. Also in the end when the dust settles on the ASA purchase Delta will have paid SkyWest MILLIONS to take ASA off their hands. Which means Delta lost here ass on ASA after paying just under $900M for them, selling them of less than half and then paying guaranteed profits for 15 years that more than double their purchase price. In the end Delta will have lost well over a Billion dollars on ASA. Also the $425M SkyWest paid Delta was a drop in the bucket when it came to Delta’s cash on hand and financing options during that time period. ASA was nothing more than another headache they paid a premium to get rid of and SkyWest was willing to help them out in order to strengthen their partnership.

You are a very miserable person. Again life’s too short to be so angry.

 

rAnd yet your Mgmt. team came back and lowballed Jerry's offer, then ran for the hills. Fact is my W2's are equal to or greater than 2 of my friends who are line holding CA's at L-XJT with roughly equal seniority to mine in domicile. The difference is my pay is linked more to my production which is what make us more efficient. You may refuse to believe this but as subcontractors you cannot have contracts heavy on soft time. Yes we all would love to get paid to not work but it drives up cost in an industry held down by mainline. Something has to give, if you go heavy on soft time your payrates will suffer, if your payrates climb higher you’ll have less soft time. We at SkyWest have found a balance. My advice which you 10%ers over there won't take, find your balance before you sink your ship and if you're willing to sink your ship you're bigger fools than I had originally imagined. Remember that Jerry won't allow you to bring the company down so if you don't work it out you'll deserve what you get. I just feel sorry for the 90% you're going to bring down with you.

Since a large portion, boarding a majority these days, of SkyWest pilots have come from other union airlines have you ever stopped to wonder why there hasn’t been another union drive at SkyWest in over 7 years? Also look around these boards at all the disgruntled pilots on here, how many are form SkyWest. There’s your answer, but since it contradicts everything you all are arguing you’ll never concede the facts.

So keep on keeping on; continue to bash us and call us whatever your little minds can fathom up but remember this, we’re happy and in life that’s far more important than a few $ more per hour. In my almost 8 years at SkyWest I’ve never raised by voice to crew support and I’ve never felt I was being treated unfairly. My wife has some very serious medical issues and when I need to be there for her there are no questions asked and it doesn’t count against my reliability. They’ve even positive spaced me a few times when I needed to get home ASAP. Everyone here will tell you your family comes first, PERIOD! The times I've explained in detail to my friends at RAH, L-XJT, L-ASA, AE, 9E and GoJet about how SkyWest operates they’re dumb founded at why their airline is incapable to doing the same. I am very thankful for SkyWest and their willingness to help their employees in any way they can (within reason) but they expect a return on their generosity. So every day when I show up to work I give my company 110%, I take care of our customers and I take care of our customers customers.

 

You sir have hit the nail on the head. I love you too.

 

+2 similar experiences. As a line holder I put myself back on reserve this month asked for 10 (!!) different days off in two blocks of 5 so I could do some traveling, without hesitation CS made it happen for me. No users/vaca/golden days needed. Very happy to be here still after a couple of years long after the honeymoon is over. It's funny too watch how others want you to be at least as missable as themselves. Sorry boys. No Delta here, but ill take OO any day over < insert your regional here >.