Poll on Regional Pilot Pay
Poll on Regional Pilot Pay
12-03-2006, 08:51 AM
#3
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,512
Originally Posted by ryane946
Of course, I feel anything over 70 seats should be at mainline. US Air got this right.
12-03-2006, 09:07 AM
#4
The NeverEnding Story
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CR2/EM4 CA/FO
Year 1 $50/30
Year 2 $65/39
Year 3 $69/41.40
Year 4 $72/43.20
Year 5 $75/45
Year 8 $80/48
Year 10 $85/51 (FO cap)
Year 12 $90/51
Year 15 $95/51 (CA cap)
FO pay is 60% of CA rates. CR7/E170 seat pay should be a 10% premium on 50 seat rates; CR705-900/E175-190 seat pay should be a 25% premium on 50 seat rates. Longevity for CAs on the CR7 scale and larger would go to 18 years, FOs to 12 years.
3% COLA every year.
$2.00 perdiem, up a dime every year.
3.5:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 4 hr min day credit.
Purely academic, right?
Year 1 $50/30
Year 2 $65/39
Year 3 $69/41.40
Year 4 $72/43.20
Year 5 $75/45
Year 8 $80/48
Year 10 $85/51 (FO cap)
Year 12 $90/51
Year 15 $95/51 (CA cap)
FO pay is 60% of CA rates. CR7/E170 seat pay should be a 10% premium on 50 seat rates; CR705-900/E175-190 seat pay should be a 25% premium on 50 seat rates. Longevity for CAs on the CR7 scale and larger would go to 18 years, FOs to 12 years.
3% COLA every year.
$2.00 perdiem, up a dime every year.
3.5:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 4 hr min day credit.
Purely academic, right?
12-03-2006, 09:19 AM
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: FO, looking left
Posts: 1,057
I like the payscale above. I think that is fine!
I am a big fan of the approximately $1 a seat for captains. Slightly higher on the lower end, slightly lower on the higher end. FO's about 60% of captain pay.
Captain of a 50 seat jet should start at $60 an hour.
First officer of a 50 seat jet should start at $30 an hour.
This 1st year pay crap is total B.S. And for some reason, EVERY airline can, and still does get away with it!! Even at GOOD airlines like FedEx, UPS, and American, you start of with crappy pay. This needs to get fixed.
UPS first year --> $33
FedEx first year --> $54
American first year --> $35
Continental first year --> $30
Northwest first year --> $30
Southwest first year --> $52
United first year --> $31
Does ANYONE see a problem here?? Not everyone will make it to widebody captain pay at these airlines, but EVERYONE will experience first year pay. This same phenomenom (sp?) is present at the regional level. $19 an hour. That is crap. $23 an hour. That is crap. Regional pilots need to start of at $30 for a jet FO. Beech 1900 and EMB-120 can start slightly lower ($25 minimum). But the way it is now needs to be fixed.
Start fighting for first year pay when your next contract negotiations come up!
I am a big fan of the approximately $1 a seat for captains. Slightly higher on the lower end, slightly lower on the higher end. FO's about 60% of captain pay.
Captain of a 50 seat jet should start at $60 an hour.
First officer of a 50 seat jet should start at $30 an hour.
This 1st year pay crap is total B.S. And for some reason, EVERY airline can, and still does get away with it!! Even at GOOD airlines like FedEx, UPS, and American, you start of with crappy pay. This needs to get fixed.
UPS first year --> $33
FedEx first year --> $54
American first year --> $35
Continental first year --> $30
Northwest first year --> $30
Southwest first year --> $52
United first year --> $31
Does ANYONE see a problem here?? Not everyone will make it to widebody captain pay at these airlines, but EVERYONE will experience first year pay. This same phenomenom (sp?) is present at the regional level. $19 an hour. That is crap. $23 an hour. That is crap. Regional pilots need to start of at $30 for a jet FO. Beech 1900 and EMB-120 can start slightly lower ($25 minimum). But the way it is now needs to be fixed.
Start fighting for first year pay when your next contract negotiations come up!
12-03-2006, 03:12 PM
#6
Long Call
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: MD88
Posts: 96
What scares me more than anything is ..... 50..70.. 90 seat regional jets... What region do they serve? Was born in the wrong decade, take me back to the TWA days of 250tt and a comm ticket= connie job.
I think the pay scale above is a step in the right direction.
I think the pay scale above is a step in the right direction.
Last edited by SlingAir; 12-03-2006 at 03:14 PM. Reason: typo
12-03-2006, 03:29 PM
#8
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SkyWest Capt.
Posts: 2,963
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
CR2/EM4 CA/FO
Year 1 $50/30
Year 2 $65/39
Year 3 $69/41.40
Year 4 $72/43.20
Year 5 $75/45
Year 8 $80/48
Year 10 $85/51 (FO cap)
Year 12 $90/51
Year 15 $95/51 (CA cap)
FO pay is 60% of CA rates. CR7/E170 seat pay should be a 10% premium on 50 seat rates; CR705-900/E175-190 seat pay should be a 25% premium on 50 seat rates. Longevity for CAs on the CR7 scale and larger would go to 18 years, FOs to 12 years.
3% COLA every year.
$2.00 perdiem, up a dime every year.
3.5:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 4 hr min day credit.
Purely academic, right?
Year 1 $50/30
Year 2 $65/39
Year 3 $69/41.40
Year 4 $72/43.20
Year 5 $75/45
Year 8 $80/48
Year 10 $85/51 (FO cap)
Year 12 $90/51
Year 15 $95/51 (CA cap)
FO pay is 60% of CA rates. CR7/E170 seat pay should be a 10% premium on 50 seat rates; CR705-900/E175-190 seat pay should be a 25% premium on 50 seat rates. Longevity for CAs on the CR7 scale and larger would go to 18 years, FOs to 12 years.
3% COLA every year.
$2.00 perdiem, up a dime every year.
3.5:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 4 hr min day credit.
Purely academic, right?
12-04-2006, 08:04 AM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,425
I would be more supportive of a payscale that is salary based - ie get rid of this "per hour" stuff all together.
If you pick up flying on your days off, it would be paid at an override of your "day rate" that is figured out based on your salary and "days available".
IOW, $30,000/yr salary, 14 days of work per month = $180/day, pick up a day trip and it would be worth $270.
Of course, contract language would have to be drafted that would increase the days off because the company could schedule 14-16 hours per day of "use" out of you (and they would, otherwise if they built pairings with 4 hours duty time it wouldn't be very efficient).
If you pick up flying on your days off, it would be paid at an override of your "day rate" that is figured out based on your salary and "days available".
IOW, $30,000/yr salary, 14 days of work per month = $180/day, pick up a day trip and it would be worth $270.
Of course, contract language would have to be drafted that would increase the days off because the company could schedule 14-16 hours per day of "use" out of you (and they would, otherwise if they built pairings with 4 hours duty time it wouldn't be very efficient).
12-04-2006, 08:13 AM
#10
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,293
Originally Posted by fosters
I would be more supportive of a payscale that is salary based - ie get rid of this "per hour" stuff all together.
If you pick up flying on your days off, it would be paid at an override of your "day rate" that is figured out based on your salary and "days available".
IOW, $30,000/yr salary, 14 days of work per month = $180/day, pick up a day trip and it would be worth $270.
Of course, contract language would have to be drafted that would increase the days off because the company could schedule 14-16 hours per day of "use" out of you (and they would, otherwise if they built pairings with 4 hours duty time it wouldn't be very efficient).
If you pick up flying on your days off, it would be paid at an override of your "day rate" that is figured out based on your salary and "days available".
IOW, $30,000/yr salary, 14 days of work per month = $180/day, pick up a day trip and it would be worth $270.
Of course, contract language would have to be drafted that would increase the days off because the company could schedule 14-16 hours per day of "use" out of you (and they would, otherwise if they built pairings with 4 hours duty time it wouldn't be very efficient).
I prefer a payscale based on duty time...whether I fly or sit on my @ss is up to the company, but if I am at work I want to get paid. You also need a high minimum days off, say 14.
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