I looked back a number of pages but didn't find much regarding the den base. Been trying to get back home to den. Any thoughts on how hard it will be to get? How many planes will be based there? A lot of guys or girls wanting to switch there? From what I can gather, it seems den is a senior base at the other carriers. Just a cargo mover looking to get some 121 at a base I like.
Thank you for your input, I do appreciate it.

Unfortunately, they is very little information available, because the base hasn't opened yet. The airline said they are going to start staffing Denver with 20 crews. An initial bid should be completed later this month. From there the staffing numbers will begin to take shape.

My best guess is that Den will be very senior and very junior with very few mid level seniority guys. That is just a guess, however.

Hope this helps!

What a lame story . And how is a guy a suck tool ?

Tell you what's lame. I'll be enjoying my 120 hours a month credit all winter while you're sitting on guarantee....have fun

you can HAVE your 120hr credit at crappy regional pay ENJOY! :D


FYI GOjet doesn't fly 737's

So then why are you wasting your time on a Gojet thread?

The real question is why are YOU wasting your time on a GoJet thread? All you do is bad mouth. ...and I'll clue you in, your regional sucks too. Maybe it's a little better with cancelation pay? The reality is though, that is a mere gnat's eyelash in the long term scheme of things. You have been being a complete troll on this thread. All that tells me is that so long as I don't have to share the front of an airplane with some tool bag like you, loosing the cancel pay is worth it.

LOL go ahead and keep telling yourself that. Like I said, enjoy the guarantee pay all winter. And keep deluding yourself that cancellation pay is a gnat's eyelash.....makes living on food stamps more agreeable.....

Cause maybe I still know a bunch of great people that still work there

Unlike you just like to come on and bash pilots all day long .

and FYI i did do a winter a gojet I made money , as a line holder I never went under guarantee , you speak as if everybody get screwed cause of winter ops yes some may have some may not . big deal

Typical Gojet guy with SJS. No big deal about getting screwed over as long as I get to fly my shiny CRJ. No matter that my POS contract screws the whole profession over. Bet your time as a line holder was before 117.

Typical Gojet guy. I've got mine no matter if I screw everybody else. Bet you are a joy to work with. Hope the guys at your airline don't expect you to stand up and hold the line. You'll probably be the first to stab them all in the back and cross the line so you can fly your shiny jet.

LMFAO SJS really ? I been at 5 different airlines from turboprops to jets don't come to me about SJS . FYI EMB145 worst jet I even flown

cocky little pilots like you make me laugh

If you had been at that many airlines then you should have realized what a total sell out Blowjets is. Personally I don't care what I fly, its what I get paid that matters. And if you have been around as long as you claim, then you should have known what Gojets is, and what it has done to the profession. Wonder if they still turn their badges around on the crew van because they are so embarrassed about working for GJ.

Haa lol badge turning none sence lol why bother . Blah blah blah if what u get paid matters so much why are you still flying for Hulas !
Same crap at any regional don't act like your crap don't stink .

Maybe you should study you're own history on what you guys did to us former eagle pilots . BLUE CHICKENS !

Last time I checked, TSA was not created to circumvent Eagle's CBA. Maybe you need to check your history. The fact that you worked in the industry at Eagle, then went to Gojet speaks volumes about you as a person. Like I said, wouldn't want to have to walk a picket line with you. You'd probably run everybody over just to sell out to get what's yours.....

Because TSA has a decent contract that pays pretty well compared to every other regional. I'll happily move on when I get the right opportunity.

There are regionals, and then there are the bottom feeders like Gojet. Go ahead and rationalize all you want. Last time I checked Delta wasn't using TSA to try and force rate resets on every other regional.

Another genius who hadn't heard of "TWA express" and what happened after AA took over. Not to mention the difference between "operating your old routes in a new paint scheme" and "being created entirely to circumvent a union CBA".

Judge all you want lol hate all you want . All US regional feed is crap . I don't care who your flying for neither do the majors .
People get hired for their personalities rather from who they flew for . Take notes for the judge mental fools out there . And you be surprised how far they stand out during interviews .

Oh why don't you go back to you're awesome TSA thread and stay out of this one ! U said it yourself .

Wow, 5 different airlines? Were you a casualty of downsizing? Any airplane not properly maintained is no fun to fly, otherwise it's not about the plane...it's about doing a job and getting a paycheck.

A few points for the stuff posted today:

1) if you are a TSA guy and flaming a GoJet thread, some GoJet people are going to get ****ed.

2) all regionals suck, and we are all trying to move up.

3) we are trying to get a new contract through. We are trying to make this a better place until we can all get to a major/ mainline.

4) be nice. We all Jumpseat on each other and we are all interviewing at different majors. When we are all working at the same major we can all laugh about our diffences and have a beer.


Play nice.

Pilotguy

When I got hired here about 3/4 of the class was furloughed from other carriers. Out of about 35 or so in the class I'd say roughly 10 had been furloughed 3 or more times. The last 10 years has been brutal in this industry. While I also have issues with some of the practices at this company, I've found it a decent place to work for the time being.

I don't mean to interrupt. Please continue squabbling over your first world problems.

As of this month, I don't think an ATP Written will get you a 121 pilot job. In the USA anyway.

For any of you lurkers, I'd like to point out that the last few pages of TSA DB's trashing GoJet are a classic example of missing the forest for the trees.

It's a job. There are better jobs. There are worse jobs. The culture at GoJet is not to stay long. That can't be said for the "good" regionals. The upgrade is quick and if you can do basic math you can figure out that the GoJet contract still yields more money than a lot of the "good regionals due to the culture of quick moving lists.

I can't speak for other regionals, but roughly a third of our list is Comair. Many furloughed from other outfits like ATA. So the point is, if you want to be petty and act like a 250 hour wonder you can make posts like flying kat and his/her buddies. But if you need a job at an airline, that allowed United flow backs, with a pretty good group of pilots then GoJet might be an option depending on your situation.

If you are hung up on a dollar (or whatever) an hour, then you are missing, like I said, the forest for the trees. All regionals suck. Perhaps GoJet sucks a little more on the surface? Perhaps TSA has a better contract? If your career goals end at the first RJ then you might want to consider regional contracts as one of the top 2 or 3 items on your priority list.

We would all like to make more money. And we should. But the cold hard fact is that for now, we make X. Until we change the structure of the industry this will not change. It's the way it is. That's not to say we should accept concessions, or roll over to management. Its just the dollars and cents of the business model for now. Is it better to find a job and go to work or stand on your soap box and get all righteous about other airlines? That's for you to decide. Be an adult.

There are some valid concerns about the formation of GoJet, 8 or 10 years ago. Common sense tells anyone that wants to know that none of these guys bad mouthing us would have much to say if GoJetters weren't getting hired. That's really what upsets them. GoJet alum are everywhere but gosh darn it, FlyingKat is crediting 120 hrs a month all winter on his/her 145.

As long as pilots are willing to accept what GoJet, etc are offering, and by extension be complicit with the shenanigans that started the operation, the industry will never change. The day you showed up for indoc you took a concession.



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I am not judging, Lord knows I am a sinner, but.......

Doing the right thing is not easy or convenient.
Doing the right thing can be hard on you and/or yours.
Doing the right thing does not get you a pat on the head and a cookie.


And anyone looking for the quick upgrade shortcut, buyer beware. Lots of pilots came to grief taking that gamble at RAH, 9E, etc. If the music stops and there is no quick upgrade, are you ok with whatever is left?? I have flown with a decent number who weren't, and bailed out of their gig when the quick upgrade did not materialize to start over again with us. They have all compared my regional very favorably to what they left behind.....

This is what I mean. Precisely. The day anyone showed up at any outsourced carrier they took concessions. Some of you need to open your eyes to reality. If you want to nit-pick which turd stinks less that's your choice. Choose your airline on bases and upgrade. Get in and get out. If it stalls and no quick upgrade happens you quit and fly a desk.

What is your name and employee #?
 

So Mr. negative. If you work at TSA I'm sure you realize TSH owns all three companies. TSA GJ and Compass. If you are so a big talker, Im in HQ right now you should tell me your name and employee # so I can print all this out and hand it in to correct personnel. You seem to talk a very big game so you should live up to it. If you don't feel like giving it, I suggest you keep your negative opinions to yourself. Also get your facts correct before you go around calling people bottom feeders.

just got real

Why would FK do that? What happened to free speech? If you were to RAT someone out are you willing to publish your name for everyone to see?

damn....it's nasty in here.

Put on an asbestos suit, and jump right in!

So why wouldn't someone leave Eagle for Gojet? Can't speak for everyone, but any FO who made that move in the last 5 years is much better off. Why is it that some people in this industry think its wrong to seek out a better opportunity to provide career advancement and a better life for your family? I take it you aren't married with kids, and if you are, I really feel sorry for them. Can't imagine telling my wife, "Sorry honey, we have to keep living in poverty indefinitely because although taking this opportunity will certainly give us a better life, some of my Eagle buddies may look down on me." LOL! I can't imagine engineers or teachers or other professionals acting this way. They don't, they take the best opportunities provided.

You seem to have completely missed his point. Only when Hulas and JO can't get people to show up and fill their right seats will there be much forward progress for any of the pay and benefits at any regional.
Management at the better paying higher quality regionals love to stress their inability for improvements due to the low cost competition from Mesa/Gojet/PSA etc.!

Yes, absolutely this.

Right. What frustrates me is that we can't take a stand on anything-- anything!! There are many regionals out there. Can't we send a message by not a single person applying to a select regional or two until said regionals get their act staight? I'm not saying avoid the industry. Just one or two companies.


The ability to communicate so widely, quickly, and freely via the internet *could* be a powerful tool for pilots to coordinate and stand united on at least something. Possibly the internet and the forums were the reason for the overwhelming NO votes from Eagle, RAH, and XJT pilots. What if we all had stood strong and not one person applied to Gojets when TSA was being stomped on? What message would that send?

It is imperative that we discuss the issues of *our* profession and *our* collective fates. This is a good thing if we articulate our thoughts with purpose. I appreciate the mods letting things go more lately. Online is probably a lot better venue than arguing in the flight deck.

I get his point. I would even go so far as to say I agree with it. The problem with his point is that it's just a theory. You and him are missing mine. You guys want to talk about the way it should be. I want to talk about the way it is.

If you guys want to split hairs on which regional sucks less then that is your choice. We can argue and bicker like high school girls all day. The fact remains, this, right now is the industry. We ALL work for less than we should. Even Horizon and SkyWest and definitely TSA.

Forward Progress
 

Really? You really believe what you are saying? Really? Is that why XJ is taking 130 jets out if inventory? Because where is the progress you profess will happen?

As stated the "progress" can't and won't happen until the likes of Hulas and JO aren't able to staff their respective bottom of the barrel outfits. As long as they keep getting SJS recruits, they will always be used by other management groups looking to stop any improvements anywhere else. It's been happening for far too long!

So just so we all have this straight- You are saying that your company's pay scales are good and that's all the more you guys deserve?

I assume you think you should make more? So that would mean that what you are saying is that it's okay for you to work for sub par wages but it is not okay for me to because in your opinion you work for slightly less bad wages? Did I miss something?

First because they have a better contract. My wife and kids are just fine because I look at the money and the contract first. You Gojet guys can rationalize it all you want. But the bottom line is you work at a bottom feeding carrier that was created to circumvent someone else's CBA. Deal with it. And any industry veteran that goes there knowing what Gojet is, how poor the contract is, why they were created, and what Gojet has done to put downward pressure on wages in the regional industry gets what they deserve. I was jumpseating to work last week and a Gojet guy who went there seeking a fast upgrade from another carrier was whining to a United guy about how they are treated at Gojet, the intimidation tactics and how awful it is to work there. And how they lied to him about the fast upgrade. Serves him right.

Anyone who goes there gets what they deserve. Right now I'm making more money and made $3000 more last winter than I would have at Gojet due to cancellation pay. Anybody that goes to Gojet right now is financially illiterate.