dude, you are a regional pilot....the sooner you realize this and get over yourself, the better.

My point was that a guy who left eagle a few years ago would now be a captain at Gojet, whereas had he stayed at eagle he'd still be an FO. Who's financially illiterate?

I think he's saying that same guy would also be a captain at TSA, and be making far more money with a better contract.

I would stay far, far away from Go Jet......... You may, or may not get on the jumpseat to work. And everyone will think you're a dirt bag.

Anyone with any substance of character knows that the GoJet guy isn't the dirt bag.

GoJet Pilots are Professional
 

Having joined GoJet after Comair, I can say the pilot group is just as professional as the pilot group I left. Any new pilot joining this group is joining a high quality team of professionals.

Not Truth
 

And everyone knows anyone denying GoJet pilots or any other pilots for political reasons runs the risk of shutting their out their own pilot group out of jumpseats. JT8D you are not speaking truth.

Base bid is on FLICA. Spoke to the DO, will open with up to 20 crews, then grow from there. Base is not fully subscribed.

JT8D is right. They won't tell you its because you work for Gojet.....but many legitimate reasons can be found for denying a jumpseat. Not saying I agree with this, because I don't. But I have been amazed at the number of mainline guys and guys at other regionals that say they will do not do anything to help a Gojet guy out on the jumpseat.

I'm not casting judgement on everyone there. But a number of pilots that started the whole debacle are still over there. To qualify them as consummate professionals is just wrong.

the only people who care about GoJet are other regional pilots....mainline guys don't care in the slightest bit.

It's neat and fun and gives me warm fuzzies to think about the theory of people not going to xyz carrier because they pay a miniscule amount less than abc carrier. Or so-and-so's contract is better.

The problem is that one day you wake up and (hopefully) realize that a good theory is far different than reality in a capitalistic society. One day you realize that you are the only one holding yourself back.

I've pointed out the hypocracy of another regional pilot talking down about another carrier at nausim. You guys won't touch that because you know the truth of what I posted. So I'm going to take it a step further.

If you were trying to find the group of people that hold the industry back the most in todays environment then I submit to you that it's the folks talking bad about other regionals, and anyone involved with the union.

The immature brats that think another regional is screwing you or the industry couldn't be farther off the point. You guys have a serious lack of understanding of business. Assuming the point is the betterment of the industry? You have a utopian idea stuck in your head that pilots shouldn't go to GoJet or Mesa because of poor pay or work rules. Perhaps you are even dense enough to think people shouldn't go there due to the history of how it was formed?

So I ask where should they go? To your carrier? You guys have said it over and over but for you to really think that is a better idea you have to think you are making a fair wage and have a sufficient contract. IE- making what you are worth. We all know that every regional is underpaid. So that means you guys are righteous about your less bad wage. In other words, it's okay for you at your company because it's less bad? It's an idiotic thought process and I think you people are the reason this is a trade job rather than a profession.

As for the Union, they need voted out and gutted completely. If you want change, real change and bargaining power you have to get rid of them. The reason is that unions have no power. Strike? Never going to happen again. The RLA makes it illegal to disrupt the transportation system. There is no power. Those are the two big problems with the industry. Not Hulas or JO or Parker or BB.

In order to achieve real change all of the pilot groups have to be united. Even TSA and GoJet. We need one voice.

The one voice needs to come from an exclusive, entirely regional pilot group. This is very much like a global seniority list but could not be Unionized due to the current laws. Global regional pilot lists for longevity for pay purposes.

The power comes from the ability of the group to dictate staffing. If JO needs a pilot and one is available with 10 years of 121 experience, or 7000 hours he must pay that pilots longevity or the group as a whole ignores the request for staff.

If pilots circumvent the group two things could happen. Pilot fails training. Pilot is blacklisted from future enrolment in the Regional Pilot Group.

Or if Hulas wants to pay TSA, X and Compass, Y and GoJet, Z then the group as a whole says no. You pay everyone A, with the same work rules, this many days off, this long of a call out etc. Same rules as every other regional period.

That works if we all belong to the same group. It can't work when we have multiple pilot representations. Nor can it work when pilots don't even understand what the root problems are in the industry.

Until we have one united regional pilot group, one set of work rules, one set of payscales, and get paid for experience things won't change. They won't even change if you clench your fists and scream really, really loud at the nearest GoJet pilot.

Now, I am fully aware that most of you don't pay attention to facts and refuse to use the part of your brain that uses critical thinking, which explains why most of you voted for Obama. But maybe one day you'll realize that your misguided hate and anger at a pilot group was a lot of energy you could have expended on something that mattered.

While the petty arguments continue, and folks like you guys keep doing your part to divide the pilot group for management teams across the country, I will go to the carrier that I think will get me out of the regional world the fastest. And honestly, it is none of your business what company a fellow pilot feels fits his or her needs the best. Just remember, when you don't have anything remotely educated to say, you make all of the regional pilot group look like unprofessional, uneducated tools.

*drops mic*

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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Let me make it more understandable for you-

Yo bro you hattin gojet is whack cause you be wrong.

You don't make enuf scrilla as it is.

we should work together yo. but fo realz there has to be sum dramatic changes for it to work. (work is something that is generally hard and requires more effort than screaming at another pilot group from your computer saying they should change but you don't have to.)

Until there are dramatic changes don't be trippin on someone you don't know. Cause you don't know where their crib be at, what their family at and what they goals is.

nomesayin?

^ This. While a 2014 newhire made a bad decision, I don't think the same of him as I do those original scumbags that made the whole thing possible.

Those original "scumbags" were Trans States Pilots. Keep throwing those stones.

Even with a quick upgrade gojet has and cmrcrj700pilot saying it is as good as Comair was, guys are jumping ship over there left and right. PSA has hired several gojet pilots and even more substantial evidence of how great it is over at gojet PSA has hired several Comair pilots that first went to gojet! You take a 17 year Comair guy making 120k they start over at a devastating pay drop at first year pay at gojet and then prolong that first year pay to leave and go to PSA all while gojet has a quicker upgrade. What does that tell you?

How accurate is the gojet APC page that says most junior captain is a Dec 2012 hire?

It tells ME that Regional flying sucks and I am thankful I escaped.

I'm sorry. but that was classic!!!
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Maybe some genius GoJet or Mesa hater on here can edumacate me on something.

Not everyone is awesome enough to get in the door at CPZ or SKW right??
So what are the rest of us unworthy hacks to do? Just crawl into a corner or quit the business or go into grave digging??

Please, tell me , why a guy/girl shouldn't go to GoJet at this point in time because of something that happened 10 years ago that he/she had nothing to do with???
The answer needs to be something better than "The pay and the schedules." That won't cut it. The pay and the schedules are NOT that much better at Compass or SkyWest to make much of a difference.

I understand that some places have cancellation pay and other such things but to some people, the lack of those things isn't a deal breaker so why bust their ass because they made a decision based on their personal needs and issues rather than what you may think their needs and issues should have been??

Help me out.

you need to do whats best for you period dot. don't get riled up by all the keyboard warriors here....

I don't quite get your reasoning here. CAL scabs were CAL pilots. And before anyone starts quoting me as saying the go jet guys were scabs I'm not. The point is that it is even more egregious to be part of a pilot group and then stab your brothers in the back.

It's not reasoning it's making a point. I can't help you if you missed said point.

The majority of pilots don't care which regional you came from. To this day when I tell pilots I fly with I worked at GoJet they generally always reply, "So you were in Hawaii". I then explain to them that was Go! Airlines. But, you guys keep throwing your stones, insults, js war threats etc etc. it makes for good entertainment.

What point are you talking about. I referenced your last comment which you apparently completely forgot about saying that the original go jet guys were TSA before. What's your point? You want to generalize every TSA pilot on the forum so be it.

Never mind

And when they stuck the harpoon into their former coworkers, then collected their 30 silver coins, they ceased to be Waterskiiers. I will not add 1 lb of ballast nor short one lb of fuel to get a Gheyjetter on. I will not deny, but won't do ANYTHING to get them on.

Fixed it for ya

That you in your avatar? Everything about you is an error, including the night of bad decisions your mom made leading to you. Last Gheyjetter who asked for the actual quietly left when I told him I was an former Waterskiier, and asked "if he really wanted to sit in the jumpseat for 2+ hours". Was that you?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ight.

Interesting, when I was working at GoJet 2006-2010 I jumpseated on everyone including Trans States. Everyone was always professional. There are always exceptions. I guess that'd be you click. Hang on I am getting more popcorn.

He asked for the actual? Did you give it to him?

I'd Jumpseat on your airplane. You'd be nice to me too. I'm sure of it.

The flight was full, I told him I was a former Waterskiier and was not very impressed with the original gheyjetters or him. He left on his own accord, I didn't have to deny, nor would I have.

You would lose that bet if you are a gheyjhetter. I have buddies still Waterskiiing.

The whole gheyjett thing was a management end around by management to screw the original Waterskiiers, because they wouldn't roll over and stick their a$$es in the air for hulas, so you guys did and continue do so.
Any questions as to how I feel about gheyjett?

What if someone goes there today. Due to better qol. They will be able to live in base, more movement than other, or maybe the only ones that will hire them. With having not been the original few who decided to "cross the line" as some on here say, I'm not agreeing with this or disagreeing. Would they still be looked at the same, by those who hate go jets ?

At what point does an airline lose it reputation for which it was founded upon, or what the previous pilot group decided to agree to.

Go ask the last TSA or GJ Capt/ that denied a jumpseat for this childish BS, Ill give you a hint, both chief pilot offices are across the hall from one another.

I've never had anything but a professional experience when I was at GJ jumpseating on TSA.

With that attitude I'll bet you can't even get a fat flight attendant to give you any play. Must be miserable to live like that...

Bwahahaha. Great story.

Dude, the sooner you start acting like an adult and get over being dumber than dirt, you can start the long difficult path from ignorance.

What not playing with a fat flight attendant? Not missing that, your gheyjetting attitude is showing. Remember fat girls need love too, your calling in life, slippin it between the folds!

i accept your surrender.