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snippercr 12-08-2013 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr (Post 1535466)
If memory serves, 2011 was our most productive year in company history with regards to hiring numbers. 725+

It was hired in the middle/end of that era. Indeed, our class was 28 and people commented on how big of a class it was. A month or two later, we had 40+ people in a class. Than November 29th happened. Once hiring resumed a year later, we could barely get 10 people.

PilotJ3 12-08-2013 08:34 AM



Originally Posted by PIPErdrvr (Post 1535466)
If memory serves, 2011 was our most productive year in company history with regards to hiring numbers. 725+

It was hired in the middle/end of that era. Indeed, our class was 28 and people commented on how big of a class it was. A month or two later, we had 40+ people in a class. Than November 29th happened. Once hiring resumed a year later, we could barely get 10 people.
Thats the way it is. If only Horton had gave those RAH planes to Eagle, instead of ****ting on us for concessions $$$, the history would be different.

I bet you we would had people banging the door like they where in 2011.

That's how the best looking regional out there doesn't mean is going to be the best looking tomorrow.

I just hope everything works out for us.

embraer 12-08-2013 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1535576)
Thats the way it is. If only Horton had gave those RAH planes to Eagle, instead of ****ting on us for concessions $$$, the history would be different.

I bet you we would had people banging the door like they where in 2011.

That's how the best looking regional out there doesn't mean is going to be the best looking tomorrow.

I just hope everything works out for us.

Nobody gave Repbulic anything. They paid for those aircraft themselves.

That is the point I was making earlier. AA can't make any aircraft purchases while still in bankruptcy. Republic offered up their own coin while Xjet already had the crj-200s baking in the desert.

AA's plan for L-Eagle (yes there is one) involves an in-house purchase which can't be done until after bankruptcy.

snippercr 12-08-2013 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1535690)
Nobody gave Repbulic anything. They paid for those aircraft themselves.

That is the point I was making earlier. AA can't make any aircraft purchases while still in bankruptcy. Republic offered up their own coin while Xjet already had the crj-200s baking in the desert.

AA's plan for L-Eagle (yes there is one) involves an in-house purchase which can't be done until after bankruptcy.

Well, we will be out of BK starting monday. They may have a plan for L-Eagle but you know they are not going to give us anything without a few more attempts to squeeze something out of us. What I fear is, they know for the most part Eagle will not accept concessions for airplanes - the last 60 airplane for B-Scale proved that. However, they found they can shot the airplanes to other carriers who are weaker and will accept them.

embraer 12-08-2013 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1535702)
Well, we will be out of BK starting monday. They may have a plan for L-Eagle but you know they are not going to give us anything without a few more attempts to squeeze something out of us. What I fear is, they know for the most part Eagle will not accept concessions for airplanes - the last 60 airplane for B-Scale proved that. However, they found they can shot the airplanes to other carriers who are weaker and will accept them.

Oh of course they want something. PBS. Not sure if they will attach anything else to it but PBS is a certainty.

My suggestion? Vote NO initially to get better language. PBS is coming one way or another. With good language it can actually be better than what we have now.

Bzzt 12-08-2013 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1535706)
Oh of course they want something. PBS. Not sure if they will attach anything else to it but PBS is a certainty.

My suggestion? Vote NO initially to get better language. PBS is coming one way or another. With good language it can actually be better than what we have now.

It will never be "better" than line bidding however you are correct in that we need to vote it down initially. There is no language protecting us in the PBS LOA, we need some trip/duty rigs + min value of a day before we sign off on PBS.

SkylineAviation 12-08-2013 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1535742)
It will never be "better" than line bidding however you are correct in that we need to vote it down initially. There is no language protecting us in the PBS LOA, we need some trip/duty rigs + min value of a day before we sign off on PBS.

Don't just vote PBS down initially, vote it down indefinitely. It would have to take something very big in very specific direct language for me to turn my vote to yes about PBS. PBS is 100% concessionary, don't let anything tell you otherwise.

Don't just give in and say, "well it's coming anyway" or "but everyone else has it..."

Spoiler 12-09-2013 02:03 PM

So all those orders and deliveries during bk - where did those come from?

meeko031 12-09-2013 02:54 PM

...am i the only one left who has not played with this PBS trainer?

snippercr 12-09-2013 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 1536368)
...am i the only one left who has not played with this PBS trainer?

no
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