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02-27-2014 | 09:39 AM

madeinUSA

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Are Pilots Idiots?

We have agreed to only get paid when the door is closed, gave up huge concessions while our parent companies make billions in profit, and agree to work for fast food wages while most of us have college degrees. And our Major counterparts have given their own jobs away in the form of scope. Not smart at all in my opinion. Maybe instead of pilots negotiating contracts we should hire professional businessmen to negotiate for us since we obviously dropped the ball on so many levels.

02-27-2014 | 09:45 AM

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There's something going on under the table between the unions and airlines. It makes no sense for pilots to be making so little. Our wages could be fixed with a $4 dollar charge per passenger.

02-27-2014 | 09:50 AM

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Greedy f-in idiots yes

02-27-2014 | 09:54 AM

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There's something going on under the table between the unions and airlines. It makes no sense for pilots to be making so little. Our wages could be fixed with a $4 dollar charge per passenger.

Yeah there definitely is. It's a secret society of hording all the Part 91 repos for themselves. The union leadership flies shiny jets with no pax or annoying FAs for FREE while collecting your hard earned dues money on Association leave, and the company gets the low rates they desire.

You cracked the code.

02-27-2014 | 09:55 AM

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Point less thread. Yes. ****

02-27-2014 | 10:04 AM

NovemberBravo

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Thanks for being constructive.

02-27-2014 | 10:13 AM

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Point less thread. Yes. ****

02-27-2014 | 10:25 AM

madeinUSA

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I guess I didn't even need to ask

What about having professional negotiators instead of pilots working on contracts? We obviously can fly planes without much of a problem, but fail miserably when it comes to business.

02-27-2014 | 10:33 AM

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I guess I didn't even need to ask

What about having professional negotiators instead of pilots working on contracts? We obviously can fly planes without much of a problem, but fail miserably when it comes to business.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this why union members pay dues? To receive professional support? It's obviously an important part of "the process" to have line pilot reps involved in negotiations... but they certainly shouldn't be doing it without professional guidance.

I don't know how negotiations proceed - but if ALPA, IBT, etc. don't provide experienced negotiators to help, what's the point of paying dues in the first place?

02-27-2014 | 10:35 AM

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I guess I didn't even need to ask

What about having professional negotiators instead of pilots working on contracts? We obviously can fly planes without much of a problem, but fail miserably when it comes to business.

Alpa= negotiators. Your MEC is made up of pilots who don't fly and negotiate. You tell the MEC what you want. Pilots don't fail at business, management handles that.