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12-20-2006 | 06:40 PM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
12-20-2006 | 08:38 PM
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and when its all said and done most of our w2's are higher than the rest
12-20-2006 | 09:07 PM
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Upgrade times can change overnight.
So what is ALPA about? A union is a needed evil, but its only as good as the members you vote in. With three Major Airline pilots in my family and my work experiance at Continental I know a ton of pilots who are pro ALPA... not crazy about it, but would not have it any other way. You must not jumpseat of Majors often. 
Yes a lawyer can do anything ALPA can, but you'll be paying much more than what your dues would have been and you'll have a much harder time finding the right lawyer. Would you hire a lawyer to help you fill out a RIF?
Do you know the margins in the last ALPA vote at Skywest? I understood them to be very close.
The QOL at SkyWest is much better than the majority of you ALPA guys give it credit for. United guys on the 737 are getting 10 days off a month and telling me how ALPA sold them out, just like TWA and the AA seniority list. Any lawyer could do what ALPA does if your case is in fact that strong.
We have duty rigs, above average pay, incentives to be on-time. All you have at ALPA carriers is confrontation and hatred between the pilots and management. There is nothing wrong with protection, but it isn't needed at SkyWest and you Pro-ALPA guys should maybe get some ALPA experience under your belt before you screw everything up and vote it in. Still have yet to meet one person in favor of ALPA who has been at an ALPA carrier, even the ones who worked for the union at TSA. Where was ALPA when GoJet happened? Ask TSA guys what happened when Duane showed up for the rally and who is doing the GoJet flying these days?
I am not against unions, but you guys need to go elsewhere and figure out what ALPA is all about. Far away from the song and dance you guys buy into.
ALPA is supposed to be some magical organization that gets us better lives??? But why is it the CHQ and Horizon don't have to fight with their management to get good contracts?
We have duty rigs, above average pay, incentives to be on-time. All you have at ALPA carriers is confrontation and hatred between the pilots and management. There is nothing wrong with protection, but it isn't needed at SkyWest and you Pro-ALPA guys should maybe get some ALPA experience under your belt before you screw everything up and vote it in. Still have yet to meet one person in favor of ALPA who has been at an ALPA carrier, even the ones who worked for the union at TSA. Where was ALPA when GoJet happened? Ask TSA guys what happened when Duane showed up for the rally and who is doing the GoJet flying these days?
I am not against unions, but you guys need to go elsewhere and figure out what ALPA is all about. Far away from the song and dance you guys buy into.
ALPA is supposed to be some magical organization that gets us better lives??? But why is it the CHQ and Horizon don't have to fight with their management to get good contracts?
Yes a lawyer can do anything ALPA can, but you'll be paying much more than what your dues would have been and you'll have a much harder time finding the right lawyer. Would you hire a lawyer to help you fill out a RIF?Do you know the margins in the last ALPA vote at Skywest? I understood them to be very close.
12-21-2006 | 06:18 AM
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Brilliant...
12-21-2006 | 06:29 AM
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Something to be proud of???????????????????????? This makes you just as low as MESA, you are letting managment take advantage of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like SKYWEST pilots are joining MESA guys with the race to the bottom, congrats
12-21-2006 | 06:31 AM
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Whats up my fellow XJT brotha from anotha motha!? Thought I was alone in my SKW bashing.
12-21-2006 | 06:36 AM
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haah Im here for ya brotha, these clowns (not all but these guys willing to fly at lower wages) its just amazing they don't see the writing on the wall. They are flying LARGER airplanes for less and less pay, where do they think that is going to get them????????? Everybody knows XJT has the best Contract out there, and guess what......................We are ALPA, and we have a good relationship with our management, and they know we wouldnt fly anything larger without being compensated for it. Management will tell yuo guys that we can;t pick up extra flying cuase our costs our too high, you don't see corporate cutting their pay do ya???????????????????? When they start to reduce their wages then, and only then should you consider lowering yours, these bull**** scare tactics they are uing to get you guys to fly 900's at low pay is rediculous
12-21-2006 | 06:52 AM
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Other regionals would like to see Skywest unionize so that they can get pay for larger airplanes that is in line with what it should be so that it won't put downward pressure on their wages.
I can't believe anyone would WANT to fly for less money so that they could be more competitive. Somehow you think that will get you a faster upgrade and then, I assume a job at the majors faster, right? Wake up! Because you fly a larger airplane for small plane wages there is less need for major flying, reducing the jobs that will be available to you in the future. Further it not only puts downward pressure on other regional's wages but also downward pressure on major airlines' wages, too. So the very jobs that you're aspiring to attain by working for pennies, thinking that you'll really have it good when you get there faster, won't pay squat when you get there! Nice job!
You're not just hurting your competition with that strategy, you're hurting yourself, now AND in the future.
12-21-2006 | 07:01 AM
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That is truly the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Other regionals would like to see Skywest unionize so that they can get pay for larger airplanes that is in line with what it should be so that it won't put downward pressure on their wages.
I can't believe anyone would WANT to fly for less money so that they could be more competitive. Somehow you think that will get you a faster upgrade and then, I assume a job at the majors faster, right? Wake up! Because you fly a larger airplane for small plane wages there is less need for major flying, reducing the jobs that will be available to you in the future. Further it not only puts downward pressure on other regional's wages but also downward pressure on major airlines' wages, too. So the very jobs that you're aspiring to attain by working for pennies, thinking that you'll really have it good when you get there faster, won't pay squat when you get there! Nice job!
You're not just hurting your competition with that strategy, you're hurting yourself, now AND in the future.
Other regionals would like to see Skywest unionize so that they can get pay for larger airplanes that is in line with what it should be so that it won't put downward pressure on their wages.
I can't believe anyone would WANT to fly for less money so that they could be more competitive. Somehow you think that will get you a faster upgrade and then, I assume a job at the majors faster, right? Wake up! Because you fly a larger airplane for small plane wages there is less need for major flying, reducing the jobs that will be available to you in the future. Further it not only puts downward pressure on other regional's wages but also downward pressure on major airlines' wages, too. So the very jobs that you're aspiring to attain by working for pennies, thinking that you'll really have it good when you get there faster, won't pay squat when you get there! Nice job!
You're not just hurting your competition with that strategy, you're hurting yourself, now AND in the future.
While we are on the subject, here is something I have always wondered about SLYWest: Each employee has an individual contract with management but everyone's contract is the same, right? What is stopping management from agreeing to "renegotiate" that contract if a pilot goes to management and says "I'll fly for $2 less per hour if you give me the good trips"? Is there anything preventing management from writing up a new contract with that pilot? Or what if a guy says he'll fly for less if he can get PSP or SBA as a base sooner? Is there a mechanism in place that prevents that?
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