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samballs 03-17-2014 02:11 PM

Pedro should not be talking on this conference call. We'll be here all night. According to him mesaba, colgan went out of business because of high cost, last I checked they merged, but who cares about facts.

samballs 03-17-2014 03:47 PM

Pedro's answer to everything was, trust me it'll work. Thankfully I voted NO. He some very bad wrong facts. Sounded like he was just brief on the AIP today, and hasn't been briefed on his position at this company yet.

Avroman 03-17-2014 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1604352)
Pedro should not be talking on this conference call. We'll be here all night. According to him mesaba, colgan went out of business because of high cost, last I checked they merged, but who cares about facts.

Colgan was one of the cheapest craphole outfits in the air. The problem was the management at Pinnacle was even more incompetent than the Colgan family. Mesaba was a decently run middle of the road costs operation that suffered the same fate, sold to morons in Memphis to be used as a pawn in Delta's game.

N927EV 03-17-2014 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1604474)
Colgan was one of the cheapest craphole outfits in the air. The problem was the management at Pinnacle was even more incompetent than the Colgan family. Mesaba was a decently run middle of the road costs operation that suffered the same fate, sold to morons in Memphis to be used as a pawn in Delta's game.

And high training costs from what I heard. People were jumping from one plane and airline to the other.

Saabs 03-17-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1604474)
Colgan was one of the cheapest craphole outfits in the air. The problem was the management at Pinnacle was even more incompetent than the Colgan family. Mesaba was a decently run middle of the road costs operation that suffered the same fate, sold to morons in Memphis to be used as a pawn in Delta's game.

Colgan had the exact same pilot costs as mesaba per aircraft. Called a JCBA.

And I know a dollar or two extra was spent on XJ SF-340 Til they were parked which was very shortly after Jcba

It was mismanaged.

samballs 03-17-2014 05:31 PM

I laughed the whole conference. when asked questions he would just say trust me. Then he tried acting like he was tough and standing up to American, it was funny to hear him talk Puerto Rican gangster. If they were To put the fact sheet out from his conference call it would have to be redone. Hey express jet just so you know your not hiring at all, disregard those pilots you see going through your training program right now they don't exist according to pedro.

exwaterski 03-17-2014 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1604203)
New commutair TA that starts FOs at 30 an hour. Why are people voting yes on this eagle ta again??

Exactly. I'd rather fly a turboprop for 30K a year with a free commuter hotel and a 2 year upgrade than sit RSV at Eagle for the carrot of a flow. They are betting the farm that this flow through agreement will have people beating down the door and I'm not so sure. This could turn out to be one expensive miscalculation if they are wrong.

QuagmireGiggity 03-17-2014 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by exwaterski (Post 1604542)
Exactly. I'd rather fly a turboprop for 30K a year with a free commuter hotel and a 2 year upgrade than sit RSV at Eagle for the carrot of a flow. They are betting the farm that this flow through agreement will have people beating down the door and I'm not so sure. This could turn out to be one expensive miscalculation if they are wrong.

You'll probably get where you want to go faster with the 2 year upgrade.
It was interesting to see their application stats.
First week of Jan 2014 zero.
Then it ramped up to 62 ish a week after the AIP announcement then nose dived after the MEC no vote. hehe
Someone asked if the people applying actually met the mins. Then there is the issue of whether you believe them or not.

bretthull 03-17-2014 08:27 PM

I spoke with a recruiter a few weeks ago. He mentioned Eagle is getting a lot of interested from the 250-500 hour guys but near zero from qualified pilots.

PurdueFlyer 03-18-2014 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1604116)
That's true but I'm still not understanding how having it is a bad thing.

Not necessarily a bad thing, just not the great thing it is being made out to be and certainly not worth concessions.

They should offer improved flow as a way to attract new hires with zero concessions attached. If anything Eagle pilots should be getting a raise.


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