View Poll Results: My vote on the TA was...
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Eagle TA- What did you vote?
03-20-2014 | 12:08 PM
#151
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The 5 year cap is so I don't get stuck in a career I hate for the rest of my life. The regionals were never meant to be a career and I'll be damned if I make them one for myself.
As to fighting for better work rules, qol, etc. at the regionals it's not going to happen. It's a dying business model regardless, but it's built on cheap labor to undercut mainline pilot groups. Supply and demand is finally coming into play, and it's far more powerful than any contract we or the company can come up with. Pay will increase as these companies attempt to attract new hires until it reaches a point at which it is no longer financially advantageous to contract out. Flying will go back to mainline and hopefully there will be more jobs, not just less frequency.
In the meantime I want a safety net flow for my 5 years remaining of regional flow and the longer flights done by 175s may give me better schedules.
As to fighting for better work rules, qol, etc. at the regionals it's not going to happen. It's a dying business model regardless, but it's built on cheap labor to undercut mainline pilot groups. Supply and demand is finally coming into play, and it's far more powerful than any contract we or the company can come up with. Pay will increase as these companies attempt to attract new hires until it reaches a point at which it is no longer financially advantageous to contract out. Flying will go back to mainline and hopefully there will be more jobs, not just less frequency.
In the meantime I want a safety net flow for my 5 years remaining of regional flow and the longer flights done by 175s may give me better schedules.
03-20-2014 | 12:18 PM
#152
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
As an outsider looking in, I have a question just to see if anyone can come up educated/wag response.
What I have read is that Eagle/Envoy would be drawn down and close if the AIP was voted down. It was...by the MEC.
Why come back and ask again. If the simple truth was vote for this or else, there are no better deals were to hold true, there would not be this discussion over a vote. Does Parker/AAG have a love for Eagle? History doesn't show this to be true so why keep pressing the Eagle pilots for a contract? Why not stick to your word/statement that they would become the next Comair.
How long can things be drawn out before a decision has to be made. Aren't the E175 coming soon?
What I have read is that Eagle/Envoy would be drawn down and close if the AIP was voted down. It was...by the MEC.
Why come back and ask again. If the simple truth was vote for this or else, there are no better deals were to hold true, there would not be this discussion over a vote. Does Parker/AAG have a love for Eagle? History doesn't show this to be true so why keep pressing the Eagle pilots for a contract? Why not stick to your word/statement that they would become the next Comair.
How long can things be drawn out before a decision has to be made. Aren't the E175 coming soon?
03-20-2014 | 12:34 PM
#153
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Joined: Jan 2013
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As an outsider looking in, I have a question just to see if anyone can come up educated/wag response.
What I have read is that Eagle/Envoy would be drawn down and close if the AIP was voted down. It was...by the MEC.
Why come back and ask again. If the simple truth was vote for this or else, there are no better deals were to hold true, there would not be this discussion over a vote. Does Parker/AAG have a love for Eagle? History doesn't show this to be true so why keep pressing the Eagle pilots for a contract? Why not stick to your word/statement that they would become the next Comair.
How long can things be drawn out before a decision has to be made. Aren't the E175 coming soon?
What I have read is that Eagle/Envoy would be drawn down and close if the AIP was voted down. It was...by the MEC.
Why come back and ask again. If the simple truth was vote for this or else, there are no better deals were to hold true, there would not be this discussion over a vote. Does Parker/AAG have a love for Eagle? History doesn't show this to be true so why keep pressing the Eagle pilots for a contract? Why not stick to your word/statement that they would become the next Comair.
How long can things be drawn out before a decision has to be made. Aren't the E175 coming soon?
The 175s are supposed to come online at the beginning of next year, I would assume AAG wants some clarity soon. Whether Eagle flies them or they attempt to staff them elsewhere.
03-20-2014 | 12:43 PM
#155
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As to fighting for better work rules, qol, etc. at the regionals it's not going to happen. It's a dying business model regardless, but it's built on cheap labor to undercut mainline pilot groups. Supply and demand is finally coming into play, and it's far more powerful than any contract we or the company can come up with. Pay will increase as these companies attempt to attract new hires until it reaches a point at which it is no longer financially advantageous to contract out. Flying will go back to mainline and hopefully there will be more jobs, not just less frequency.
In the meantime I want a safety net flow for my 5 years remaining of regional flow and the longer flights done by 175s may give me better schedules.
In the meantime I want a safety net flow for my 5 years remaining of regional flow and the longer flights done by 175s may give me better schedules.
2. Regionals are a dying business model you say.... Then why the f would aa be buying all these rj's?!! United is buying more also. So they are not a dying business model.
3. The problem is rj's are getting bigger, routes are getting longer, displacing mainline routes but the pay is going down.
4. Go ahead vote yes. Enjoy your lifestyle of flying ord to ewr. Knowing that a mainline pilot did the same route a year ago at triple your salary. Have fun
03-20-2014 | 12:46 PM
#156
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At this point I'm not sure there are many who think they will shut us down. The evidence points to a smaller airline for sure, but with the economic climate and lack of qualified applicants I don't believe anyone is in danger of being shut down.
The 175s are supposed to come online at the beginning of next year, I would assume AAG wants some clarity soon. Whether Eagle flies them or they attempt to staff them elsewhere.
The 175s are supposed to come online at the beginning of next year, I would assume AAG wants some clarity soon. Whether Eagle flies them or they attempt to staff them elsewhere.
03-20-2014 | 12:54 PM
#158
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The regionals are not growing, they're replacing small aircraft for larger aircraft but not increasing the total amount of frames. The pay and qol is not drawing anyone to the regionals anymore, it's a dying model.
03-20-2014 | 01:02 PM
#159
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Personally it's not a concessionary deal. I'm not losing anything I care about (pay, industry average adjustments) and I'm gaining something I do want (better flow). Everyone has different priorities so one broad reasoning is not going to work. I'm not telling anyone else what they should do, the thread wants to know how we voted, I voted yes and I gave my reasoning.
How come?
Losing IAI, If you got hired in 2011 you don't know what it is! Other regionals will increase pay scales, and with the IAI we follow them. We will get pay raises every year + your normal payraise!!!!
Btw in Bk they divided the IAI into CA and FO. So if some company get a better FO pay (IE: RAH) they will match basically our pay to them. We can see Commute Air getting raises, others will follow.
More health insurance. You will get a your yearly pay raise and you will expend more money in the insurance.
For what? And "enhanced flow" that is Garbage!!! For pay caps? For reducing our perdiem from 1.85 to 1.80??? Really? Food goes up, our food money goes down!!! We should be at $2.05 this year!!! That's almost $50 per day! You could eat steak almost every night, not fast food ****!
I really hope something happens and we all get stuck in this piece of **** contract!!! Let's see how you will whine being an FO not able to flow and not able to switch careers.
Open your eyes buddy, not everything that shines is gold. This is a turd, something that is attempting to our QOL. Have you seen the lines lately? Wait for the summer!!! They will be 10 times worst.
They can keep the airplanes, we already gave concessions last year! 43 millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody that haven't been thru IAI, Per Diem increases never in their career don't know what we are really letting go in this 10yr deal!
So, anyone that's being hired after summer 2011, shouldn't drink the cool aid and ask senior people how was living with double yearly pay raises, more per diem a year.
$2.05 per diem (increasing 0.05 every year) vs $1.80 = $60 less a month (in a 300hr TAFB line) = $720 less this year in TAX FREE money, this year only!
Think about it, is not about the fast upgrade, the flow. Is about our QOL, is about leaving our leverage in the table for e-175. Is about not being able to negotiate for 10 years!!!!
Again, just think about it.
03-20-2014 | 01:08 PM
#160
Where's my Mai Tai?
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From: fins to the left, fins to the right
Said the same pilots who went to Eagle in the late 90s for the flow through. As much as people say the language is better now, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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