View Poll Results: My vote on the TA was...
YES
47
24.48%
NO
90
46.88%
Did not vote
55
28.65%
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Eagle TA- What did you vote?
03-20-2014 | 01:10 PM
#161
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Joined: Jan 2013
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Really is not a concessionary deal? REALLY DUDE????!!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???
How come?
Losing IAI, If you got hired in 2011 you don't know what it is! Other regionals will increase pay scales, and with the IAI we follow them. We will get pay raises every year + your normal payraise!!!!
Btw in Bk they divided the IAI into CA and FO. So if some company get a better FO pay (IE: RAH) they will match basically our pay to them. We can see Commute Air getting raises, others will follow.
More health insurance. You will get a your yearly pay raise and you will expend more money in the insurance.
For what? And "enhanced flow" that is Garbage!!! For pay caps? For reducing our perdiem from 1.85 to 1.80??? Really? Food goes up, our food money goes down!!! We should be at $2.05 this year!!! That's almost $50 per day! You could eat steak almost every night, not fast food ****!
I really hope something happens and we all get stuck in this piece of **** contract!!! Let's see how you will whine being an FO not able to flow and not able to switch careers.
Open your eyes buddy, not everything that shines is gold. This is a turd, something that is attempting to our QOL. Have you seen the lines lately? Wait for the summer!!! They will be 10 times worst.
They can keep the airplanes, we already gave concessions last year! 43 millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody that haven't been thru IAI, Per Diem increases never in their career don't know what we are really letting go in this 10yr deal!
So, anyone that's being hired after summer 2011, shouldn't drink the cool aid and ask senior people how was living with double yearly pay raises, more per diem a year.
$2.05 per diem (increasing 0.05 every year) vs $1.80 = $60 less a month (in a 300hr TAFB line) = $720 less this year in TAX FREE money, this year only!
Think about it, is not about the fast upgrade, the flow. Is about our QOL, is about leaving our leverage in the table for e-175. Is about not being able to negotiate for 10 years!!!!
Again, just think about it.
How come?
Losing IAI, If you got hired in 2011 you don't know what it is! Other regionals will increase pay scales, and with the IAI we follow them. We will get pay raises every year + your normal payraise!!!!
Btw in Bk they divided the IAI into CA and FO. So if some company get a better FO pay (IE: RAH) they will match basically our pay to them. We can see Commute Air getting raises, others will follow.
More health insurance. You will get a your yearly pay raise and you will expend more money in the insurance.
For what? And "enhanced flow" that is Garbage!!! For pay caps? For reducing our perdiem from 1.85 to 1.80??? Really? Food goes up, our food money goes down!!! We should be at $2.05 this year!!! That's almost $50 per day! You could eat steak almost every night, not fast food ****!
I really hope something happens and we all get stuck in this piece of **** contract!!! Let's see how you will whine being an FO not able to flow and not able to switch careers.
Open your eyes buddy, not everything that shines is gold. This is a turd, something that is attempting to our QOL. Have you seen the lines lately? Wait for the summer!!! They will be 10 times worst.
They can keep the airplanes, we already gave concessions last year! 43 millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody that haven't been thru IAI, Per Diem increases never in their career don't know what we are really letting go in this 10yr deal!
So, anyone that's being hired after summer 2011, shouldn't drink the cool aid and ask senior people how was living with double yearly pay raises, more per diem a year.
$2.05 per diem (increasing 0.05 every year) vs $1.80 = $60 less a month (in a 300hr TAFB line) = $720 less this year in TAX FREE money, this year only!
Think about it, is not about the fast upgrade, the flow. Is about our QOL, is about leaving our leverage in the table for e-175. Is about not being able to negotiate for 10 years!!!!
Again, just think about it.
Health insurance is going up for everyone in America, you can thank ObamaCare for that, not AAG.
And there is no chance I'll be stuck in a bad contract, like I've said before, it's up or out for me.
I think the biggest point you're missing is that everyone has different priorities, what makes sense to you may not make sense to someone else and vice versa. I know one thing for sure, however this plays out the world will still turn and life will go on.
03-20-2014 | 01:16 PM
#163
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,154
Likes: 18
I'm not worried about being shut down, I want the flow. If I can never get an interview at united or delta I want a safety net.
The regionals are not growing, they're replacing small aircraft for larger aircraft but not increasing the total amount of frames. The pay and qol is not drawing anyone to the regionals anymore, it's a dying model.
The regionals are not growing, they're replacing small aircraft for larger aircraft but not increasing the total amount of frames. The pay and qol is not drawing anyone to the regionals anymore, it's a dying model.
03-20-2014 | 01:31 PM
#165
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,867
Likes: 117
Really is not a concessionary deal? REALLY DUDE????!!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???
How come?
Losing IAI, If you got hired in 2011 you don't know what it is! Other regionals will increase pay scales, and with the IAI we follow them. We will get pay raises every year + your normal payraise!!!!
Btw in Bk they divided the IAI into CA and FO. So if some company get a better FO pay (IE: RAH) they will match basically our pay to them. We can see Commute Air getting raises, others will follow.
More health insurance. You will get a your yearly pay raise and you will expend more money in the insurance.
For what? And "enhanced flow" that is Garbage!!! For pay caps? For reducing our perdiem from 1.85 to 1.80??? Really? Food goes up, our food money goes down!!! We should be at $2.05 this year!!! That's almost $50 per day! You could eat steak almost every night, not fast food ****!
I really hope something happens and we all get stuck in this piece of **** contract!!! Let's see how you will whine being an FO not able to flow and not able to switch careers.
Open your eyes buddy, not everything that shines is gold. This is a turd, something that is attempting to our QOL. Have you seen the lines lately? Wait for the summer!!! They will be 10 times worst.
They can keep the airplanes, we already gave concessions last year! 43 millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody that haven't been thru IAI, Per Diem increases never in their career don't know what we are really letting go in this 10yr deal!
So, anyone that's being hired after summer 2011, shouldn't drink the cool aid and ask senior people how was living with double yearly pay raises, more per diem a year.
$2.05 per diem (increasing 0.05 every year) vs $1.80 = $60 less a month (in a 300hr TAFB line) = $720 less this year in TAX FREE money, this year only!
Think about it, is not about the fast upgrade, the flow. Is about our QOL, is about leaving our leverage in the table for e-175. Is about not being able to negotiate for 10 years!!!!
Again, just think about it.
How come?
Losing IAI, If you got hired in 2011 you don't know what it is! Other regionals will increase pay scales, and with the IAI we follow them. We will get pay raises every year + your normal payraise!!!!
Btw in Bk they divided the IAI into CA and FO. So if some company get a better FO pay (IE: RAH) they will match basically our pay to them. We can see Commute Air getting raises, others will follow.
More health insurance. You will get a your yearly pay raise and you will expend more money in the insurance.
For what? And "enhanced flow" that is Garbage!!! For pay caps? For reducing our perdiem from 1.85 to 1.80??? Really? Food goes up, our food money goes down!!! We should be at $2.05 this year!!! That's almost $50 per day! You could eat steak almost every night, not fast food ****!
I really hope something happens and we all get stuck in this piece of **** contract!!! Let's see how you will whine being an FO not able to flow and not able to switch careers.
Open your eyes buddy, not everything that shines is gold. This is a turd, something that is attempting to our QOL. Have you seen the lines lately? Wait for the summer!!! They will be 10 times worst.
They can keep the airplanes, we already gave concessions last year! 43 millions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody that haven't been thru IAI, Per Diem increases never in their career don't know what we are really letting go in this 10yr deal!
So, anyone that's being hired after summer 2011, shouldn't drink the cool aid and ask senior people how was living with double yearly pay raises, more per diem a year.
$2.05 per diem (increasing 0.05 every year) vs $1.80 = $60 less a month (in a 300hr TAFB line) = $720 less this year in TAX FREE money, this year only!
Think about it, is not about the fast upgrade, the flow. Is about our QOL, is about leaving our leverage in the table for e-175. Is about not being able to negotiate for 10 years!!!!
Again, just think about it.
Health insurance is going up for everyone in America, you can thank ObamaCare for that, not AAG.
And there is no chance I'll be stuck in a bad contract, like I've said before, it's up or out for me.
I think the biggest point you're missing is that everyone has different priorities, what makes sense to you may not make sense to someone else and vice versa. I know one thing for sure, however this plays out the world will still turn and life will go on.
If you got hired after oct 11,2011 then you have a preferential interview (PSA style). If not we already have 35% of NH for every AA class after the 824.
So much for bashing the PSA guys! Why don't you quit here and go there, it fits your profile and you will be in AA in no time (according to their cheerleaders here).
03-20-2014 | 01:32 PM
#166
Underpaid...
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,101
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From: French-Canadian
I've stated here numerous times, I really don't care about pay or IAI, it's a very low priority for me.
Health insurance is going up for everyone in America, you can thank ObamaCare for that, not AAG.
And there is no chance I'll be stuck in a bad contract, like I've said before, it's up or out for me.
I think the biggest point you're missing is that everyone has different priorities, what makes sense to you may not make sense to someone else and vice versa. I know one thing for sure, however this plays out the world will still turn and life will go on.
Health insurance is going up for everyone in America, you can thank ObamaCare for that, not AAG.
And there is no chance I'll be stuck in a bad contract, like I've said before, it's up or out for me.
I think the biggest point you're missing is that everyone has different priorities, what makes sense to you may not make sense to someone else and vice versa. I know one thing for sure, however this plays out the world will still turn and life will go on.
03-20-2014 | 01:34 PM
#167
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,648
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Ahhh yeah, health Insurance is going up as it is now. It will be 5% higher if we vote this in.
If you got hired after oct 11,2011 then you have a preferential interview (PSA style). If not we already have 35% of NH for every AA class after the 824.
So much for bashing the PSA guys! Why don't you quit here and go there, it fits your profile and you will be in AA in no time (according to their cheerleaders here).
If you got hired after oct 11,2011 then you have a preferential interview (PSA style). If not we already have 35% of NH for every AA class after the 824.
So much for bashing the PSA guys! Why don't you quit here and go there, it fits your profile and you will be in AA in no time (according to their cheerleaders here).
Why would I go to PSA? The commute from the west coast to Chicago is already hard enough. I did make a mistake when I trolled the PSA guys, I can't deny that.
03-20-2014 | 02:06 PM
#169
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Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
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Speaking of being "shocked"... Maybe if you chose to take pride in our chosen profession, instead of being shortsighted and voting yes to any and every concession management cooks up(like yes voters at Brownstreak, Bendover, and yourself), we could start making strides together to once again having a career/profession to proud of! Join the pilots at Expressjet and your own MEC who have already said NO to anymore concessions!
Eagle pilots already gave management concessions while in bankruptcy, and now you have them coming back for more while the mainline carriers are all making record profits(and paying out record salaries and bonuses to management)! "Embarrassment" should only come about to anyone even considering voting yes to anymore degradation being suggested by management!
Shame on you.
03-20-2014 | 02:22 PM
#170
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Joined: Jan 2013
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Speaking of being "shocked"... Maybe if you chose to take pride in our chosen profession, instead of being shortsighted and voting yes to any and every concession management cooks up(like yes voters at Brownstreak, Bendover, and yourself), we could start making strides together to once again having a career/profession to proud of! Join the pilots at Expressjet and your own MEC who have already said NO to anymore concessions!
Eagle pilots already gave management concessions while in bankruptcy, and now you have them coming back for more while the mainline carriers are all making record profits(and paying out record salaries and bonuses to management)! "Embarrassment" should only come about to anyone even considering voting yes to anymore degradation being suggested by management!
Shame on you.
Eagle pilots already gave management concessions while in bankruptcy, and now you have them coming back for more while the mainline carriers are all making record profits(and paying out record salaries and bonuses to management)! "Embarrassment" should only come about to anyone even considering voting yes to anymore degradation being suggested by management!
Shame on you.
I don't want to make a career here, I am not going to endure a garbage situation for the good of an industry I truly don't care about. I go to work, I complete my job as safely as I'm able, and I go home. If I have a decent crew I make the best of my 4 days, but I work to live, not live to work.
It's clear your priorities are different than mine, and I respect that. No amount if anger or vitriol on an online forum is going to change my mind. If anyone comes up with a no scenario that benefits me and is legitimate id be more than happy to change my mind, that's why I discuss this garbage once per trip with whoever I fly with.
I'm anxious to see what the majority decided on the 28th, I do believe it will be voted down.
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