American to Shrink Regional Carrier
03-29-2014 | 01:20 PM
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American Air to Shrink Regional Carrier After Pilots Reject Contract - WSJ.com
So hopefully the pilots will go to other regionals that pickup American routes.
PS - SORRY - I just checked the link and it looks like the WSJ wants some $$$ to view the article.
So hopefully the pilots will go to other regionals that pickup American routes.
PS - SORRY - I just checked the link and it looks like the WSJ wants some $$$ to view the article.
03-29-2014 | 01:23 PM
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If American does follow thru and shrink Envoy, I think they'll come to regret it. No other regional can staff the carrot jets that were dangled in front of Envoy. Even if AAG contracted with every regional in the US, they will still need the pilots on the Envoy list to staff the fleet size they're talking about.
Comair demonstrated that the regional pilot labor force is not a zero sum population. If a regional airline is parted out, a sizable portion of the pilots will refuse to start over at the bottom of a regional seniority list.
The only realistic way for AAG to shrink Envoy is to put the jets at mainline, and expand the flow from Envoy.
Comair demonstrated that the regional pilot labor force is not a zero sum population. If a regional airline is parted out, a sizable portion of the pilots will refuse to start over at the bottom of a regional seniority list.
The only realistic way for AAG to shrink Envoy is to put the jets at mainline, and expand the flow from Envoy.
03-29-2014 | 01:25 PM
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I think everyone is misinterpreting the OP. I think what he meant was:
As in he's trying to say AAG's intentions are to make people quit/fire people in order for them to just come back and fly their routes again anyways. Correct me if i'm wrong.
As in he's trying to say AAG's intentions are to make people quit/fire people in order for them to just come back and fly their routes again anyways. Correct me if i'm wrong.
03-29-2014 | 01:29 PM
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BizPilot' sorry for saying this but how stupid are you.
The pilots at eagle said no to there TA so they can just go and help AAG maintain there feed as a new hire at one other company (which is worse than eagle) that bids for the flying eagle did.
Please read your post three times before submitting the post, you may want to delete it after reviewing it.
The pilots at eagle said no to there TA so they can just go and help AAG maintain there feed as a new hire at one other company (which is worse than eagle) that bids for the flying eagle did.
Please read your post three times before submitting the post, you may want to delete it after reviewing it.
03-29-2014 | 01:42 PM
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From: CRJ700 F/O
Please fellow Eaglers, do NOT go to the likes of PSA or Mesa. All you're doing is helping them add pilots to cover the cheaper flying awarded to them instead of us. If you must start over at another regional, go to one where their feed competes with AA...XJT for instance (even though they do a minimal amount of flying in DFW). I live in a PSA base but would gladly go back to instructing before helping out that operation fill seats.
03-29-2014 | 01:48 PM
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03-29-2014 | 01:53 PM
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Yes, this! Don't feed this savage management team with more bodies. Envoy pilots took a stand, now we stand with them! Hell, I wanna apply to Envoy.
03-29-2014 | 01:56 PM
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If American does follow thru and shrink Envoy, I think they'll come to regret it. No other regional can staff the carrot jets that were dangled in front of Envoy. Even if AAG contracted with every regional in the US, they will still need the pilots on the Envoy list to staff the fleet size they're talking about.
Comair demonstrated that the regional pilot labor force is not a zero sum population. If a regional airline is parted out, a sizable portion of the pilots will refuse to start over at the bottom of a regional seniority list.
The only realistic way for AAG to shrink Envoy is to put the jets at mainline, and expand the flow from Envoy.
Comair demonstrated that the regional pilot labor force is not a zero sum population. If a regional airline is parted out, a sizable portion of the pilots will refuse to start over at the bottom of a regional seniority list.
The only realistic way for AAG to shrink Envoy is to put the jets at mainline, and expand the flow from Envoy.
03-29-2014 | 02:06 PM
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From: ATR72
Remember to read your contract.
We have about 2100 pilots that fall within the furlough protection clause of our contract. The shrinking will come from the top as long as the flow through continues. No need to jump ship to low paying regional. I dont see them furloughing as we continue to loose a minimum of 20 pilots a month of the top. If they need less pilots at AE they will stop the metering to AA and metering changes to 50% of the AA newhire class.
We have about 2100 pilots that fall within the furlough protection clause of our contract. The shrinking will come from the top as long as the flow through continues. No need to jump ship to low paying regional. I dont see them furloughing as we continue to loose a minimum of 20 pilots a month of the top. If they need less pilots at AE they will stop the metering to AA and metering changes to 50% of the AA newhire class.
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