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Old 04-08-2014 | 09:58 AM
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O boy, can I play
msy-ord, I wonder what the longest route is served by an “RJ”? I think there’s a xna-lax of course I am sure that’s really just “Air-mart”. Whoa kind of scary thought.
I think that’s what they’re doing already though 2 for 1 200-7/900 and pick up the slack with mainline. Less overall pilots needed to help with the “shortage”, but more mainline blocks hours which is good. I don’t however think mainline will ever operate the “RJ’s”.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
O boy, can I play
msy-ord, I wonder what the longest route is served by an “RJ”? I think there’s a xna-lax of course I am sure that’s really just “Air-mart”. Whoa kind of scary thought.
I think that’s what they’re doing already though 2 for 1 200-7/900 and pick up the slack with mainline. Less overall pilots needed to help with the “shortage”, but more mainline blocks hours which is good. I don’t however think mainline will ever operate the “RJ’s”.
US Air already operates RJ's. 190's.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
I don’t believe it, if they made more to scale why unions would protect scope
10 year captain Delta Airbus 319 $200 Typical seat 134 = $1.49 per seat PLUS 16 %
10 year captain ASA captain CRJ 9 $84 Typical seat 88 = $.95 per seat
Also what really happens is the local union divides up the pay amongst the group, I doubt SkyWest mgmt would object to taking 10% from senior captains and giving it to junior FO’S. Net some zero for them and free recruiting. Also to your point about the 50 seat jets, they are going away so that linier extrapolation is going away, the vote tanked because of what’s above. The overall payroll deduction, by needing less pilots due to larger planes, should be enough to justify bringing in new planes why should the pilot group buy them with concessions.
Those are large RJs you're referring to, not 50 seaters. At $89.31/hr I make $1.78 per seat at XJT flying 50 seat ERJs. Does that mean I am 20% overpaid compared to a Delta captain? Or is the Delta captain underpaid? The math gets better with more seats. That was my point.

Most of the regional model has been built on whipsaw and either churning companies out of business or keeping pilot groups junior, so majority of pilots are at (or rehired at) low longevity continuously. This model has gone off the rails recently, so that's why the pay per seat is so messed up if you look at a company like XJT. No one was ever supposed to be a 14 year RJ pilot.

They can't easily churn 7000 to 10000 pilots, so the strategy has been to seek long term concessions. They are trying to fix their broken model by essentially getting the pilots to churn ourselves to lesser contracts without them having to actually rip their operations apart and rebuild them to do this. This is what has failed with all of these TAs/AIP rejections. The churn model is dead.

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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
US Air already operates RJ's. 190's.
I think that was before they merged with American and had a drastically reduced pay scale than currently, and when they were contemplating becoming an LCC to compete with jet blue.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
I think that was before they merged with American and had a drastically reduced pay scale than currently, and when they were contemplating becoming an LCC to compete with jet blue.
Whatever the reason, they do still fly them. Haha.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
Those are large RJs not 50 seaters. At $89.31/hr I make $1.78 per seat at XJT flying ERJs. Does that mean I am 20% overpaid compared to a Delta captain? Or is the Delta captain underpaid? The math gets better with more seats. That was my point.
Do you think you fly 20% more legs? I am not being facetious, but those jets are going away.
Delta heavy captain would have to get $687-$979 per hour on your scale, probably on the over paid side, if not while hes flying certainly under some soft pay circumstances. I do think a crj900 captain could get paid Delta rates $1.49 per seat * 88= $131.12-10% mgmt profit $117 per hour for a 900 driver @ 10 years. I don't think that would fail in a vote.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Whatever the reason, they do still fly them. Haha.
HA, 190 is not an RJ as no RJ operator has them in feed service.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
HA, 190 is not an RJ as no RJ operator has them in feed service.
Edited: Disregard.
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Old 04-08-2014 | 10:55 AM
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Any chance we could get back on topic...?
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Old 04-08-2014 | 11:03 AM
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Unlikely...
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