uneducted? BS in EE from a UC.. I rushed to post and edited.. people do that here.. I used to moderate on FI.com.. can't tell you how many edited posts I've seen for grammar, spelling, and to clarify a point.

Like I said, give me a call and Ill give you names and stories.. not going to post on a public forum.

That said, tell me you deny that FOs from regionals are being hired at legacies (I know at mine they are) who fit a certain demographic? Why do I need to find anecdotal proof when you simply have to agree with that point?

 

Ahh, the good old days. No crappy CRM to deal with. Making all the sexist and racist jokes you wanted. Not having to share a cockpit with an "empty kitchen". Worse accident rates. Makes me feel warm inside just thinking about it.

As you trumpet your decades of superior experience, don't forget the simple fact: Flying today is not that difficult, and there are heaps of applicants out there who will have a safe career doing it. Learning new things, cooperating, and changing with the times SHOULD be a significant portion of the qualification. Maybe (and we'll go on your word only) your flying only qualifications are better. But intuition tells me that many women and minorities are better at the other skills, not because they want to be, but because getting by in life often forced them to be.

So, as many white guys make assumptions when they see women and minorities, they might give themselves a taste of their own medicine, and assume, without basis, that the older white guy is not as skilled at communicating, fairness, cooperation, and the other qualifications required to be a good employee and superior pilot.

 

Thanks. I will gladly accept anyone's sincere prayers and best wishes.

Fortunately, I don't fly because I have to, because I made sure of that long before I ever considered flying to earn money.

Which brings up an interesting point....if more of us did (and/or had done) that, mgmt could never (had) whipsaw(ed) pilot groups in the first place.

Sounds like you were one of those guys. If so, you have no one to blame but yourself. Time to take responsibility and stop playing "victim". That is very unbecoming in a professional pilot.

 

The massive improvement in accident rates is largely due to technology, Glass cockpit being huge, GPS, (GPWS, TCAS, predictive windshear, etc). and the massive expansion of the radar airspace, ADS, etc.. CRM has also been a huge positive... none of this has anything to do with my point about hiring the best .. no failed check, college degree, PIC time, etc all being OBJECTIVE metrics..


and on this we agree... pilots today with 0 mechanical aptitude get thru type ratings, and I've watched pilots fail out of 747 classic training because they had 0 situational awareness due to the lack of "screens" coming off RJ's and Glass cockpit cessnas..

You're right, it's not rocket science, and the market is reacting with lower wages, and people with multiple failed checks becoming captains (Colgan comes to mind)..

I guess I'll just ride out my last 15 and consider myself lucky to have come up in aviation when it was a respectable job.. even if I get to finish my career in a time when we're just over paid bus drivers (who frankly have a harder job).

 

you lost me, your logic is beyond my IQ maybe..

I did nothing wrong in my career.. made captain at a commuter in the 90's... paid my dues safely with no problems 6 years and went to a legacy.. the 9/11 happened and the rest was out of my hands... 10 years later I was back on my feet.. I did nothing wrong, and continue to have a flawless training/hire record.. been hired at 9 airlines so far (two of them legacy).. must be doing something correct.

 

And CATIII, as a datapoint to counter your wholly subjective assessment of female pilot qualification, female pilots I have flown with have ON AVERAGE been slightly better than the average male pilot for the simple fact that they seem to adhere more closely to regulation and standardization, have less ego, and are more conservative in their decision-making.

 

You should know better than to rush to post if you have a BS. Just kidding.

I don't know if/how I can get this into your head. But unless you're telling me you know all those FO's qualifications (time, ratings, types), background (criminal, employment, education, extra curricular) and personalities (CRM etc), then you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just making an assumption, and without evidence. Doesn't matter if you've been sitting in the seat for 25 years or 25 days, your opinion (that's all that it is) without evidence is not worth very much.

 

I've had the opposite experience.. sorry, it's the internet and it's frankly pointless to even go down this road. I've flown with a few exceptional women (usually from the military) the majority of the civilian trained ones have not impressed me in the least..

 

they're BLEEPING RJ FO's.. what is there to discuss??? There are Jet Blue A320 CA's with apps at DAL I know personally with degrees and no failed checks, that haven't even been called.. with internals to boot! I know a 747 air force O5 who is still waiting for a call and has 3 internals at DL. Yet the last class had 2 female FOs with NO PIC time outside of being CFI's.. what is there to discuss?