FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training
07-30-2014 | 12:30 PM
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Foreign governments who need pilots. The pilot will be an indentured servant for 10+ years. Win-Win! What does concern me is if Boeing, Jeppesen, (John and Martha King!), et al. get on the bandwagon and push for MPL in the US. They have a lot of weight. Also, I can foresee some sort of govt grant or loan scheme administered by Boeing. As Air Force orders drop for their planes, they need to find some way to get the govt. milk.
07-30-2014 | 01:12 PM
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I think it has pretty much become the std. 250 hour commercial license followed by sim time and a lot of ground school. Other countries don't have extensive GA and 135 operations (we don't have them anymore either!), so this is what ICAO have come up. AirBus also was way ahead of this by designing airplanes made to be flown by low time pilots.
07-30-2014 | 04:06 PM
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oh yeah ok. 20k for the type. but i gurantee you there is more than that being put into you from sim time paying the check airman to do the ioe. its not a clean cut figure that its just 20k. probably not 100k either. the short answer is it aint cheap
07-30-2014 | 05:25 PM
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In other countries where MPL is employed, it is the exception, not the rule. The MPL pilot's skill level is supposedly on par with a CPL license holder who also did a type rating on FAR/CS25 aircraft, but a lot less time in airplanes and much more time in simulators. MPL holders cannot exercise single engine or multi engine privileges (outside of their type rating). MPL holders are restricted to flying aircraft for one certificate holder and can't switch companies until they have gained an ATPL. Lufthansa found this to be a limitation since they operate multiple certificates and had no flexibility to put their MPL pilots in other certificates and reverted back to the CPL path.
07-30-2014 | 07:19 PM
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I don't buy lotto tickets either.
ROTC is fine. Actually AFROTC worked out great for a couple friends in the 80s when the AF gave out too many full rides. At graduation, they were given the option of NOT going active because there were too many officers already.
Or there is the enlisted route. With Tuition Assistance, good planning, and persistence in a six year hitch a guy could get out with a BS for next to nothing...... And after getting out, the GI Bill could cover about half of his flight training at a less expensive 141 school. An 18yo kid could get out at 24 with a degree, Comm ASEL/AMEL, and CFI with zero debt if he saved a few bucks while on duty and had a part time job during flight school. Instruct for a year, fly a Caravan or Navajo for a year, move up to a King Air (preferably with glass), and then a Brasilia. Now he is about 28, zero debt, great experience, and can be pretty picky about where he goes next: corporate, charter, fractional, regional, or (if he really works the job fairs, etc) maybe even mainline.
But it takes work, planning, and sacrifice.
Or just get a bunch of loans and be in debt forever because it is easier.
Disclosure: that enlisted route was almost exactly the one I took. CFIIs were more in demand and I took a signature loan of $2000 (about 20 hours of Instructor pay) to finish up. Loan was paid well before I quit instructing, and I haven't eaten ramen since
ROTC is fine. Actually AFROTC worked out great for a couple friends in the 80s when the AF gave out too many full rides. At graduation, they were given the option of NOT going active because there were too many officers already.
Or there is the enlisted route. With Tuition Assistance, good planning, and persistence in a six year hitch a guy could get out with a BS for next to nothing...... And after getting out, the GI Bill could cover about half of his flight training at a less expensive 141 school. An 18yo kid could get out at 24 with a degree, Comm ASEL/AMEL, and CFI with zero debt if he saved a few bucks while on duty and had a part time job during flight school. Instruct for a year, fly a Caravan or Navajo for a year, move up to a King Air (preferably with glass), and then a Brasilia. Now he is about 28, zero debt, great experience, and can be pretty picky about where he goes next: corporate, charter, fractional, regional, or (if he really works the job fairs, etc) maybe even mainline.
But it takes work, planning, and sacrifice.
Or just get a bunch of loans and be in debt forever because it is easier.
Disclosure: that enlisted route was almost exactly the one I took. CFIIs were more in demand and I took a signature loan of $2000 (about 20 hours of Instructor pay) to finish up. Loan was paid well before I quit instructing, and I haven't eaten ramen since
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