FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training
07-30-2014, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
In other countries is this the only way one can get into an airliner? By getting a MPL license?
07-30-2014, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
As pointed out, ATP/Higher Power say their program will cost $4999 and they're making a profit on that figure. And if you think an airline spends 100k training a new hire you need to come down to earth.
07-30-2014, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
In other countries is this the only way one can get into an airliner? By getting a MPL license?
07-30-2014, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
I don't buy lotto tickets either.
ROTC is fine. Actually AFROTC worked out great for a couple friends in the 80s when the AF gave out too many full rides. At graduation, they were given the option of NOT going active because there were too many officers already.
Or there is the enlisted route. With Tuition Assistance, good planning, and persistence in a six year hitch a guy could get out with a BS for next to nothing...... And after getting out, the GI Bill could cover about half of his flight training at a less expensive 141 school. An 18yo kid could get out at 24 with a degree, Comm ASEL/AMEL, and CFI with zero debt if he saved a few bucks while on duty and had a part time job during flight school. Instruct for a year, fly a Caravan or Navajo for a year, move up to a King Air (preferably with glass), and then a Brasilia. Now he is about 28, zero debt, great experience, and can be pretty picky about where he goes next: corporate, charter, fractional, regional, or (if he really works the job fairs, etc) maybe even mainline.
But it takes work, planning, and sacrifice.
Or just get a bunch of loans and be in debt forever because it is easier.
Disclosure: that enlisted route was almost exactly the one I took. CFIIs were more in demand and I took a signature loan of $2000 (about 20 hours of Instructor pay) to finish up. Loan was paid well before I quit instructing, and I haven't eaten ramen since
ROTC is fine. Actually AFROTC worked out great for a couple friends in the 80s when the AF gave out too many full rides. At graduation, they were given the option of NOT going active because there were too many officers already.
Or there is the enlisted route. With Tuition Assistance, good planning, and persistence in a six year hitch a guy could get out with a BS for next to nothing...... And after getting out, the GI Bill could cover about half of his flight training at a less expensive 141 school. An 18yo kid could get out at 24 with a degree, Comm ASEL/AMEL, and CFI with zero debt if he saved a few bucks while on duty and had a part time job during flight school. Instruct for a year, fly a Caravan or Navajo for a year, move up to a King Air (preferably with glass), and then a Brasilia. Now he is about 28, zero debt, great experience, and can be pretty picky about where he goes next: corporate, charter, fractional, regional, or (if he really works the job fairs, etc) maybe even mainline.
But it takes work, planning, and sacrifice.
Or just get a bunch of loans and be in debt forever because it is easier.
Disclosure: that enlisted route was almost exactly the one I took. CFIIs were more in demand and I took a signature loan of $2000 (about 20 hours of Instructor pay) to finish up. Loan was paid well before I quit instructing, and I haven't eaten ramen since
07-30-2014, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Probably, a number of training events come free with aircraft purchase.
While its true that airliners come with some training events by the manufacturer, that would have zero bearing on entry level student pilots. New planes under warranty don't create a supply of new mechanics either.
07-30-2014, 08:37 PM
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Extensive?
Originally Posted by bedrock
I think it has pretty much become the std. 250 hour commercial license followed by sim time and a lot of ground school. Other countries don't have extensive GA and 135 operations (we don't have them anymore either!), so this is what ICAO have come up. AirBus also was way ahead of this by designing airplanes made to be flown by low time pilots.
The 135 market is the USA is not as extensive as many poeple seem to think. GA is used for training, and don't expect people to be able to gain their 1500 through either of these routes any more.
MPL programs typically still require time in GA aircraft, just less of it and more focus on sims and situational training that pilots would not get in a GA environment. Complexity being 1 important aspect.
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