word302

This.

And the sim time is only required to take the written. The flight can still be done in a Seminole if you so choose.

word302

I completely agree. I would much rather have a degree that's worth something and spend the extra 9 months to a year to meet the ATP requirements with no restrictions.

ClarenceOver

Yeah but if the airlines just shelled out 20k for the course and plan to spend another 100k to get you typed in their airplane i dont think they will want you to use a seminole. Nor will a corporate flight department that just spent big bucks to get you your atp. atps are not going to be a dime a dozen after this rule is in full effect.

FlyingKat

That is what I said. To get the restricted ATP you have to be a graduate of one of these programs.

The question is how to get to the 1500 TT. Right now regional airlines are partnering up with flight schools and 135 programs to get these Pro Pilot graduates into jobs that will get them to the minimums for the Restricted ATP. People who aren't part of these pipelines are going to be aced out and will find it difficult to build the time.

Plus a lot of these smaller flight schools are closing because of a lack of students as mentioned earlier. Flying has gotten so expensive it is becoming something only the wealthy can afford. So building that 1500 hours you're talking about is a lot harder than it used to be unless you are instructing in a high volume school with a lot of students, most of which are going to be part of a network with regional airlines that will be hiring pro pilot graduates to build time towards the minimum for the restricted ATP.

word302

Not saying it would be the norm, just clarifying that the sim was not required for the practical.

FlyingKat

In order to get hired under the Restricted ATP, you have to have a Pro Pilot Degree OR be a graduate of an Approved Military Program

ClarenceOver

I am not a cfi or military and i havn't spent a penny on aviation building my time.

ClarenceOver

if you went military you probably dont have money. and you are paying your dues with time in the service. if you can afford a pilot degree for 200 freaking k or however much it is. its stupid how much cheaper it is to just get the 1500 hours instead

deltajuliet

How much of that new ATP sim stuff can be incorporated into the regionals' normal new-hire sim sessions? I wonder if it can all be integrated with very little extra classroom/simulator time, or if it's going to break the bank at the regionals.

FlyingKat

I was discussing the restricted reg requirements. You might want to read it again, because there are increased requirements for instrument time and cross country time if you don't have the Pro Pilot degree. They have made getting the ATP more difficult for those without the Pro Pilot Degree.