FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training
07-24-2014, 01:40 PM
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I'm sick of seeing articles that portray the airlines as victims of the 1500 hour rule. We need to change the talking points. Regional airline pilot is not an entry level job. Raising the barrier to get into this profession is one of the best steps foreword in safety that could have occurred. Compensation improvements are long overdue. If airline management can't adjust, then regional airlines deserve their fate.
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07-24-2014, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Easily said when you're 30. Let's see how you feel when someone orders you to give up something you love on an arbitrary date. Your perspective may change.
And no one orders anyone to give up something they love. Mandatory retirement has been here for the ages. We all knew it was there the first day we flew.
If I want to get my rocks of flying, I can do it on my own time in a J-3 or 8KAB. That's a heck of lot more fun than flying 180+ angry passengers around.
07-24-2014, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Easily said when you're 30. Let's see how you feel when someone orders you to give up something you love on an arbitrary date. Your perspective may change.
As other posters suggested, maybe you should try some other GA flying if you haven't had the opportunity. Try sailplanes, ultralights, gyrocopters, floats, helicopters. There's so much more to aviation than 121. IMO, 121 flying is just a way to pay the bills while still getting to fly, the 'fun' stuff in aviation is done at a local airport.
If you need a jet fix, hopefully your retirement plan is good enough to afford an L-39!
07-24-2014, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
How do they do it now? AS sent a query out to all its older Captains asking when they planned on retirement. Then the bond rate changed and guys realized they were going to take a HUGE hit on the lump sum payout. What happened? 60 pilots AS hadn't planned on losing pulled the plug in November and December.
Did they plan for that? No. However, this summer/fall's hiring will cover for the loss. Hasn't slowed AS down one bit, especially when they have enough pilots willing to pick up extra time and sell vacations.
That's how they do it.
Did they plan for that? No. However, this summer/fall's hiring will cover for the loss. Hasn't slowed AS down one bit, especially when they have enough pilots willing to pick up extra time and sell vacations.
That's how they do it.
Anyone flying for an airline today knew of the mandatory retirement age when they started. If you want to go fly more, get a job at a fractional or a corporate gig.
07-24-2014, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearRight
FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training rules implemented in wake of Flight 3407 - City & Region - The Buffalo News
WASHINGTON – The Federal Aviation Administration is thinking of revising the tougher pilot training rules that it implemented just last year, and the Families of Continental Flight 3407 – who won passage of a law calling for the new standards – aren’t very happy about it.
The agency set up a committee earlier this year that will “develop and recommend to the FAA new or updated guidance material, notices, handbooks and other related materials for air-carrier training and qualification,” according to the committee’s charter, which the Flight 3407 families obtained and released Tuesday.
The formation of the committee in April came amid loud complaints from the airline industry about the new FAA rule that requires new commercial pilots to have 1,500 hours of cockpit experience. The regional airlines – which generally employ younger, lower-paid pilots and which fly an increasing share of flights on behalf of the big-name airlines – say that new requirement is creating a pilot shortage.
But the families, who fought long and hard for that experience requirement, said the FAA’s move to set up that new pilot training committee could undercut their fight for aviation safety.
Leaders of the families group said they were particularly concerned that Donald R. Dillman, managing director of flight operations for Airlines for America, an industry group, is co-chairman of the committee along with an FAA official.
“This whole process just reeks of the old days of the FAA taking its marching orders from the airlines, which is exactly how the major safety gap between the regional and mainline carriers was allowed to develop in the first place,” said Scott Maurer of Moore, S.C., whose daughter, Lorin, was among the 50 people killed in the Feb. 12, 2009, crash in Clarence Center.
The 15-member committee does not include representatives of either the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations or the National Air Disaster Alliance/Foundation, groups that fought for tougher pilot standards the last time the FAA addressed the issue.
“It is extremely disappointing to see the two parties who didn’t toe the company line on the previous pilot qualification rule-making committee, who stood up for the flying public and for putting safety first, not be included on this new, hush-hush panel,” Maurer said.
FAA spokeswoman Laura J. Brown did not respond to a detailed set of questions about the new committee.
In the committee’s charter, the FAA said that it set up the new panel because the aviation industry is constantly evolving.
“The FAA must continue to review existing air-carrier training and qualification regulations, policies, and guidance to ensure they are current and relevant,” the agency said. “In addition, there continues to be new challenges with changing technology and new research that may necessitate the development of new regulations, policies, and guidance.”
But the Flight 3407 families have insisted that the 2009 crash in Clarence, which federal investigators blamed on pilot error, proved that the tougher pilot training and experience rules implemented last year are necessary.
“These new qualification requirements provide an opportunity to elevate the profession of regional airline pilots by enhancing their entry-level preparation and credentials, and hopefully the FAA will recognize this and stand up for the safety of the flying public,” said Susan Bourque, of East Aurora, whose sister Beverly Eckert, a 9/11 activist, was killed in the crash.
WASHINGTON – The Federal Aviation Administration is thinking of revising the tougher pilot training rules that it implemented just last year, and the Families of Continental Flight 3407 – who won passage of a law calling for the new standards – aren’t very happy about it.
The agency set up a committee earlier this year that will “develop and recommend to the FAA new or updated guidance material, notices, handbooks and other related materials for air-carrier training and qualification,” according to the committee’s charter, which the Flight 3407 families obtained and released Tuesday.
The formation of the committee in April came amid loud complaints from the airline industry about the new FAA rule that requires new commercial pilots to have 1,500 hours of cockpit experience. The regional airlines – which generally employ younger, lower-paid pilots and which fly an increasing share of flights on behalf of the big-name airlines – say that new requirement is creating a pilot shortage.
But the families, who fought long and hard for that experience requirement, said the FAA’s move to set up that new pilot training committee could undercut their fight for aviation safety.
Leaders of the families group said they were particularly concerned that Donald R. Dillman, managing director of flight operations for Airlines for America, an industry group, is co-chairman of the committee along with an FAA official.
“This whole process just reeks of the old days of the FAA taking its marching orders from the airlines, which is exactly how the major safety gap between the regional and mainline carriers was allowed to develop in the first place,” said Scott Maurer of Moore, S.C., whose daughter, Lorin, was among the 50 people killed in the Feb. 12, 2009, crash in Clarence Center.
The 15-member committee does not include representatives of either the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations or the National Air Disaster Alliance/Foundation, groups that fought for tougher pilot standards the last time the FAA addressed the issue.
“It is extremely disappointing to see the two parties who didn’t toe the company line on the previous pilot qualification rule-making committee, who stood up for the flying public and for putting safety first, not be included on this new, hush-hush panel,” Maurer said.
FAA spokeswoman Laura J. Brown did not respond to a detailed set of questions about the new committee.
In the committee’s charter, the FAA said that it set up the new panel because the aviation industry is constantly evolving.
“The FAA must continue to review existing air-carrier training and qualification regulations, policies, and guidance to ensure they are current and relevant,” the agency said. “In addition, there continues to be new challenges with changing technology and new research that may necessitate the development of new regulations, policies, and guidance.”
But the Flight 3407 families have insisted that the 2009 crash in Clarence, which federal investigators blamed on pilot error, proved that the tougher pilot training and experience rules implemented last year are necessary.
“These new qualification requirements provide an opportunity to elevate the profession of regional airline pilots by enhancing their entry-level preparation and credentials, and hopefully the FAA will recognize this and stand up for the safety of the flying public,” said Susan Bourque, of East Aurora, whose sister Beverly Eckert, a 9/11 activist, was killed in the crash.
Actually, let's simplify this rule: 1500h for everyone, 700 h for military pilots.
And, they should also add a 4 year degree requirement for everyone to raise the education level a little. Oh, there are no pilots? Raise entry level pay to 50k minimum and we shall see...
07-24-2014, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Hell, let's just go back to Regulation. Bring back Pan Am and Braniff. $300,000 salaries for everyone.
07-24-2014, 07:02 PM
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New York's Senator Schumer responds to threat of reversing safety rules.
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07-24-2014, 07:17 PM
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Does it really matter if they repeal or keep the 1500hr rule? Not one bit in my opinion. Everybody from the government to the airline lobby just talks about 1500hrs this or that. No where do you hear them asking to do what the pilots want and need most. Pay a fair wage! So until they remedy that(which they never will until the whipsaw and SJS stops) then all this debate is for nothing. If anything the 1500hr rule keeps some poor CFI in the seat of a GA aircraft longer. While we increase our standards and make training tougher some guy/gal from another country comes over here, gets their wet comm and runs off back to their country and flies a heavy and flying public is indifferent...
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