FAA looks at revising tougher pilot training
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New York's Senator Schumer responds to threat of reversing safety rules.
News for July 25th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info
News for July 25th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info
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Does it really matter if they repeal or keep the 1500hr rule? Not one bit in my opinion. Everybody from the government to the airline lobby just talks about 1500hrs this or that. No where do you hear them asking to do what the pilots want and need most. Pay a fair wage! So until they remedy that(which they never will until the whipsaw and SJS stops) then all this debate is for nothing. If anything the 1500hr rule keeps some poor CFI in the seat of a GA aircraft longer. While we increase our standards and make training tougher some guy/gal from another country comes over here, gets their wet comm and runs off back to their country and flies a heavy and flying public is indifferent...
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The alternative would be to completely remove the Age-65 restriction and allow pilots to continue Part 121 flying until they could not pass a flight physical. After all, fractional/corporate pilots don't face that restriction. What's the difference between operating a 737 to Hawaii and a Gulfstream? Answer: The Gulfstream is a higher performance airplane.
Im fine with raising the age if we have real physicals with cognitive testing. That would eliminate half the pilots right now.
Total bs.
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Remove the hourly requirements and make the ATP provisional on certain circumstances based in experience. Example: With 300 hours you can get provisional ATP but you need to be run through a more intense training program double the sims and double the OE. This will make airlines more careful as to who they hire and the increased vetting will improve the quality if the pilot candidates who are given the opportunity to enter the Airlines training program.
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1500 hour rule is simple, it's a survival test, if you are gonna do stupid stuff in a plane, it will most likely be solo. If it kills you you are not a suitable airline pilot candidate. In years past it took a long and tortured road to the airliner, I personally know of at least 10 G/A deaths, due to stupidity. The military filter is tougher, getting through flight training is selective enough, add operational flying and the filter is finely tuned. 3500 hours of 135 freight gives one plenty of opportunities to get dead, the military offers as many if not more. It's about survival, nothing more,,,,
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1500 hour rule is simple, it's a survival test, if you are gonna do stupid stuff in a plane, it will most likely be solo. If it kills you you are not a suitable airline pilot candidate. In years past it took a long and tortured road to the airliner, I personally know of at least 10 G/A deaths, due to stupidity. The military filter is tougher, getting through flight training is selective enough, add operational flying and the filter is finely tuned. 3500 hours of 135 freight gives one plenty of opportunities to get dead, the military offers as many if not more. It's about survival, nothing more,,,,
Unfortunately the 300 hour wonders don't get this.
I have 7 dead friends and another 5 coworkers. I miss them and hope they found peace. But they were not up to flying people.
The reality is a good private pilot with an instrument rating can pass the ATP checkride. But that doesn't mean they have the experience to fly an airliner.
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Yes, they are. Up until a certain point it's a fairly weak relationship, and there are absolutely other factors, some controllable, which affect your health.
But your physical condition does degrade after about age 20...slowly at first, but the pace picks up later in life. After age 60-ish the risk of sudden incapacitation rises noticeably. Also alertness, stamina, etc falls off too. Eventually there is a very real likelyhood of rapid degradation occurring between exams and sim sessions
Look at the current FAA medical exam standards...the frequency and scope increases at age 40 (EKG, more frequent exams).
While there are probably genetic outliers who could fly airliners safely until age 99, there are several problems with eliminating (or even significantly increasing) the age limit...
- You would have to increase the both the frequency and scope of exams and sim/cognitive testing . Who's gonna pay for that? The hypothetical 99 year old pilot would probably need a full astronaut physical and a PC at the start of every trip.
- Older folks simply will not have the same stamina regardless of health, so rest rules would have to be amended again.
Bottom line the system needs to manage the health of pilots without going to ridiculous and costly extremes. Providing the occasional "genetic outlier" with the opportunity to keep flying way beyond the bell curve is probably not worth the cost and hassle to everybody else.
But your physical condition does degrade after about age 20...slowly at first, but the pace picks up later in life. After age 60-ish the risk of sudden incapacitation rises noticeably. Also alertness, stamina, etc falls off too. Eventually there is a very real likelyhood of rapid degradation occurring between exams and sim sessions
Look at the current FAA medical exam standards...the frequency and scope increases at age 40 (EKG, more frequent exams).
While there are probably genetic outliers who could fly airliners safely until age 99, there are several problems with eliminating (or even significantly increasing) the age limit...
- You would have to increase the both the frequency and scope of exams and sim/cognitive testing . Who's gonna pay for that? The hypothetical 99 year old pilot would probably need a full astronaut physical and a PC at the start of every trip.
- Older folks simply will not have the same stamina regardless of health, so rest rules would have to be amended again.
Bottom line the system needs to manage the health of pilots without going to ridiculous and costly extremes. Providing the occasional "genetic outlier" with the opportunity to keep flying way beyond the bell curve is probably not worth the cost and hassle to everybody else.
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I truly hope this rule does not get reversed or reduced at all. I was not a fan of at when I was a low time (250 hour pilot). But now that I am close to 850 and 500 dual given I really respect it and glad I am building the experience as truly PIC. The amount of situational awareness and overall decision making I have gained is priceless and I will be glad to have it for future jobs.
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