Regionals hiring at 250tt?
01-05-2007 | 04:59 AM
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Will someone explain how WATCHING someone fly a Cessna 172 for 1000 hours is gonna teach me to fly a jet? I watched John and Martha King for about 40 hours but that didn't teach me to fly the 172. I had to get some experience in the actual plane before I knew what i was doing. As long as they are trained properly, I believe they will be fine. Corporate jobs hire low time pilots like that all the time if they know they guy.
01-05-2007 | 05:51 AM
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Will someone explain how WATCHING someone fly a Cessna 172 for 1000 hours is gonna teach me to fly a jet? I watched John and Martha King for about 40 hours but that didn't teach me to fly the 172. I had to get some experience in the actual plane before I knew what i was doing. As long as they are trained properly, I believe they will be fine. Corporate jobs hire low time pilots like that all the time if they know they guy.
I instructed 1500 hours, that was a lot for when I was hired. Did it help me "fly" any better? Probably not. Did it help me become a better pilot? I would say so.
But you're right, todays crop of regionals will hire with low time. You, as a pilot, can certainly fly the airplane, low time pilots don't really have any issues with that. Looking back on it, I'm personally happy I took a year and a half out of my life to CFI, meet interesting people, and make connections with 30+ instructors who will help me out down the line. I wasn't missing out on much at the airlines, I actually kinda feel sorry for the folks who didn't experience CFI'ing.
01-05-2007 | 06:16 AM
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i experienced CFI'ing for about a year and a half
i only made 4000 dollars and a met 5 CFI's most of them who stab you behind your back and take students, and i met several bosses who would sell their own mother to the nazi's if it protects their asses, and those same bosses, none of them who had their CFI certificate, would constantly be trying to tell you when to fly when it clearly wasnt going to be a learning experience for the student.
i dont feel sorry for those that who missed that experience
i only made 4000 dollars and a met 5 CFI's most of them who stab you behind your back and take students, and i met several bosses who would sell their own mother to the nazi's if it protects their asses, and those same bosses, none of them who had their CFI certificate, would constantly be trying to tell you when to fly when it clearly wasnt going to be a learning experience for the student.
i dont feel sorry for those that who missed that experience
01-05-2007 | 07:19 AM
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When I worked in Europe I was hired with about 260 hours TT. The difference is that the schools there train you to be an airline pilot from day #1. There is no wasting time on becoming a CFI or that sort of thing.
Also, the screening and selection process is vastly deeper and more thorough over there.
But go to Europe and fly on any major carrier - BA, AF, LH, LX, etc and you will fly with pilots who started their career flying Boeings and Airbusses with between 200 and 300 hours. It can be done and it can be done safely.
But the screening and training must be there to support that lack of experience.
To a certain degree, experience can be overridden with good training. The guy on the left seat over there does have plenty of experience. So it is just the guy on the right seat who is really low time.
Anyway, there is no magic number of hours needed to make someone safe. But less experienced pilots have to perhaps be screened a bit more thoroughly than someone with more experience.
But there are plenty of more experienced pilots who also have no business flying around in jets.
Also, the screening and selection process is vastly deeper and more thorough over there.
But go to Europe and fly on any major carrier - BA, AF, LH, LX, etc and you will fly with pilots who started their career flying Boeings and Airbusses with between 200 and 300 hours. It can be done and it can be done safely.
But the screening and training must be there to support that lack of experience.
To a certain degree, experience can be overridden with good training. The guy on the left seat over there does have plenty of experience. So it is just the guy on the right seat who is really low time.
Anyway, there is no magic number of hours needed to make someone safe. But less experienced pilots have to perhaps be screened a bit more thoroughly than someone with more experience.
But there are plenty of more experienced pilots who also have no business flying around in jets.
Those folks rarely have to fly in the general aviation zoo we have here in the US. Thats where the 1000 hours really comes in handy, if you're flying anything smaller than a 75 in the US.
It's not so much can they fly the airplane, it's more about can they work the system. I sure as h*ll couldn't at 200 hours, but a lot of the wonder boyz and girlz at mesa sure THOUGHT they could...that's the REAL problem: they don't know what they don't know.
And like you said, the only screening for 200-hour pilots in the US is a thorough review of Daddy's income and credit history
My vote is ATP for both pilots in 121.
01-05-2007 | 08:24 AM
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i experienced CFI'ing for about a year and a half
i only made 4000 dollars and a met 5 CFI's most of them who stab you behind your back and take students, and i met several bosses who would sell their own mother to the nazi's if it protects their asses, and those same bosses, none of them who had their CFI certificate, would constantly be trying to tell you when to fly when it clearly wasnt going to be a learning experience for the student.
i dont feel sorry for those that who missed that experience
i only made 4000 dollars and a met 5 CFI's most of them who stab you behind your back and take students, and i met several bosses who would sell their own mother to the nazi's if it protects their asses, and those same bosses, none of them who had their CFI certificate, would constantly be trying to tell you when to fly when it clearly wasnt going to be a learning experience for the student.
i dont feel sorry for those that who missed that experience
I had a great time CFIing, made more money than I do as a first year FO and met tons of guys who are now at various places throughout the industry and worked for some great people. CFI jobs are just like regional jobs. There are great ones and there are nightmares. You gotta do your research and be informed about what you're getting into. If you don't do your research and take the first thing to come down the pike then you better be real lucky or have a large stockpile of lube
01-05-2007 | 08:28 AM
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Will someone explain how WATCHING someone fly a Cessna 172 for 1000 hours is gonna teach me to fly a jet? I watched John and Martha King for about 40 hours but that didn't teach me to fly the 172. I had to get some experience in the actual plane before I knew what i was doing. As long as they are trained properly, I believe they will be fine. Corporate jobs hire low time pilots like that all the time if they know they guy.
Some people just DON'T get it. It has nothing to do with straight hours. It has everything to do with experience. Think about this:
Who is the better pilot? Pilot A who has 3000 hours flying his 152 around in VFR grabbing that $100 burger at the same 5 airports? Or Pilot B who has 1000 hours, lots of time instructing, flew some charter all over the country in hard IFR, thunderstorms, blizzards, etc., shooting numerous approaches down to mins in all kinds of conditions?
That being said, there is NO WAY someone can have the range of experience necessary to make them a good pilot after just 250 hours. Like someone else said, at 250 hours you have NO CLUE how much stuff you just don't know. Go out and scare yourself and your friends in a Cessna before you go out there and scare 50 paying mothers, daughters, sons and fathers.
I can tell you who I'd rather sit next to...
01-05-2007 | 09:36 AM
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It seems that a lot of accidents occur with high time pilots who are unwilling to listen to their less experienced counterparts. I don't remember the last time I heard about an airline accident (with pax onboard) that was attributed to the FO being inexperienced. Maybe instead of cutting down the inexperienced pilots you should be listening to them when they tell you that you're screwing up. The pride you display is quite evident on many accident transcipts.
01-05-2007 | 10:33 AM
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*sigh*
Some people just DON'T get it. It has nothing to do with straight hours. It has everything to do with experience. Think about this:
Who is the better pilot? Pilot A who has 3000 hours flying his 152 around in VFR grabbing that $100 burger at the same 5 airports? Or Pilot B who has 1000 hours, lots of time instructing, flew some charter all over the country in hard IFR, thunderstorms, blizzards, etc., shooting numerous approaches down to mins in all kinds of conditions?
That being said, there is NO WAY someone can have the range of experience necessary to make them a good pilot after just 250 hours. Like someone else said, at 250 hours you have NO CLUE how much stuff you just don't know. Go out and scare yourself and your friends in a Cessna before you go out there and scare 50 paying mothers, daughters, sons and fathers.
I can tell you who I'd rather sit next to...
Some people just DON'T get it. It has nothing to do with straight hours. It has everything to do with experience. Think about this:
Who is the better pilot? Pilot A who has 3000 hours flying his 152 around in VFR grabbing that $100 burger at the same 5 airports? Or Pilot B who has 1000 hours, lots of time instructing, flew some charter all over the country in hard IFR, thunderstorms, blizzards, etc., shooting numerous approaches down to mins in all kinds of conditions?
That being said, there is NO WAY someone can have the range of experience necessary to make them a good pilot after just 250 hours. Like someone else said, at 250 hours you have NO CLUE how much stuff you just don't know. Go out and scare yourself and your friends in a Cessna before you go out there and scare 50 paying mothers, daughters, sons and fathers.
I can tell you who I'd rather sit next to...
so you'd fly with me instead of the 1000 hour guy cfi'ing?
01-05-2007 | 10:50 AM
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oh cool, i had 510/80 when i got picked up by Trans States, and 200of my hours came from ferrying brand new g1000 airplanes around the midwest, dodging thunderstorms that popped outta nowhere in northern texas, flying down to minimums to take the bosses daughter and friends out for spring break and what so. the other 150 were from being a CFI
so you'd fly with me instead of the 1000 hour guy cfi'ing?
so you'd fly with me instead of the 1000 hour guy cfi'ing?
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