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Old 01-04-2007 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
An ATP gives you a license to give flight instruction by the way.

You must've been one sad student to have taken 250 hours to learn how to start an airplane.

In a dual pilot crew in a well equipped aircraft is probobly one of the best ways to gain experience. You have a captain with a ton of time to help you learn the ropes and guide you through learning. So at 250 time you are experienced enough to train others but not to fly as sic with someone with a lot more experience? That doesn't even make sense.
The difference is that a 250 hour CFI is in an airplane that a lot less can go wrong in. And when something does go wrong, it is easier to recover from and there is a lot less at stake. Do you know many 250 hour CFIs who go picking their way through a line of thunderstorms just to go shoot a Cat II approach to mins? So yes, at 250 hours you are experienced enough to go train someone how to do steep turns and stop and goes because when you F%$K UP in a 172 there is a lot less at stake than when you F%$K UP in a 50,000lb jet with 50 paying mothers, fathers, sons and daughters in the back.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 04:34 PM
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flying a jet doesn't necessarily make you "ready" for the airline transition. The training and the checkride were the hardest of any that i'd done thusfar including my CFI and II, the initial being the most difficult until that time. Last class that came through @ TSA lost 30% , the majority was prior to the simulators (no excuses there) and they aren't hiring people @ 200hrs...I'm not saying a 200hr guy can't make it, just be sure it's what you want, and that you're truely ready...because it won't be a "jet training program" its the real deal. Also, if you don't make it...that 121 failure on your record isn't the best way to start your airline career, espeically when you won't have the time to go anywhere else....i know, big gamble i took, but i did have more than 200 tt.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
I'll second that! Hay AVIVIII, is Scenic still 600/50 to apply?
Got me, I'm flying talking boxes. Meat Sticks. Jump Dummies.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 05:16 PM
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Hey guys, Just want to add mytwo cents here after reading some these posts. Personally congratualtions on mins being lower, however by no means willa 250 hr pilot be ready for the real world in an RJ regardless of training. It takes real time experience of day after day after of flying. Dealing with JFK controllers when they are moody and a gridlock, snowstorms with 30kts winds down to mins, it does take a while for this experience. Have a great attitude, be humble and grateful especially if you get on with 1000ttl or less. Its fun but an eye opener.
Just to clarify, 6500ttl with 4500ttl in the rj...still willing to learn something every day, and yes sometimes, (rarely) it does bite you in the A$$. Experience counts. Congrats on the new Comair New Hires....looking forward to your assistance and need as well.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
figure his way down when cleared for the approach 40nm out at 20,000 feet.
Well, let's see ... you take thousands of feet to lose, multiply by three, halve that, multiply by zero, and add whatever the FMS tells you the required vertical speed is.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Besides the obvious issues, a 250 hour pilot doesn't have any good war stories to share over a beer. And if this is the wonder kid's first real job...oh boy...
He may not have any "good war stories" but he sure as hell may have some other "good" stoies just my 1 cent.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt Reynolds
uhhh. Why is this a good idea?
because it beats flight instruction, and as long as you can past the checkride i dont see the big deal in it

i do not advocate pay for ERJ type ratings programs that hire the 250 hour wonder, but theres nothing wrong with it if you can get hired normally and pass all your tests
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Old 01-04-2007 | 06:09 PM
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So, 250hrs is enough to go fly copilot or wingman in combat, but not in an airliner? And before you say "you're only responsible for yourself or a military crew", remember that the consequences around pulling the trigger can have national/international implications. And yes, I had 313 hrs when I left on my first deployment.

If you're well supervised, and trained to be proficient enough to pass a check ride, you should be good to go. If not, tighten up the check ride standards. Since there's no FAR against having someone with 250tt as an FO.........

Some of you were CFI's for a long time, many folks getting in a 121 seat now won't. Get over it.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Spongebob
So, 250hrs is enough to go fly copilot or wingman in combat, but not in an airliner? And before you say "you're only responsible for yourself or a military crew", remember that the consequences around pulling the trigger can have national/international implications. And yes, I had 313 hrs when I left on my first deployment.

If you're well supervised, and trained to be proficient enough to pass a check ride, you should be good to go. If not, tighten up the check ride standards. Since there's no FAR against having someone with 250tt as an FO.........

Some of you were CFI's for a long time, many folks getting in a 121 seat now won't. Get over it.
If you think civilian training and standards is anywhere NEAR the same ballpark as military training then I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.
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Old 01-04-2007 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by POPA
Well, let's see ... you take thousands of feet to lose, multiply by three, halve that, multiply by zero, and add whatever the FMS tells you the required vertical speed is.
Good for you bud. So your FMS knows where the mountains are in Mexico? Cause the controllers sure don't.
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