Former FO, 3 OVI convictions...
08-17-2014 | 07:58 PM
#131
Stuck Mic
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Lol wow! I just wanna thank everyone for there post! The truth is, I was furloughed back in 08' after spending over $100,000 in training and only making about $20,000/yr. That was very depressing to me! Yes, my dream was in a cockpit...but not after that! It's so sad, the amount of hard work and money that goes into living your dream...and the payoff, so low! I was so turned off by what happened to me that I resorted to alcohol. I need up losing everything! My wife, job, family, money etc. I let it take the best of me! So to all of you who understands it's a disease, I thank you! It's something I will have to live with for the rest of my life! To everyone else who thinks it's a joke and who gives a sh*t...than just wait. I was your FO at one time, and someone out there could feel exactly the same as me! It's very depressing, cause I know I will NEVER get into an airline cockpit as long as I live! And I'm sure you have all driven over the limit at one time or another..all it takes is for the lights to come on behind you...and than you'll see your light go out forever pursuing your dream! J
Your first post says you resigned due to personal problems, but now you got furloughed?
08-17-2014 | 08:13 PM
#132
Works Every Weekend
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This thread has far outlived it's useful life...
Furlough, personal problems (he mentions depression), recall notice, resignation. That's my guess anyway. It's quite possible for both the furlough and the resignation to co-exist.
08-17-2014 | 08:17 PM
#133
Stuck Mic
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Haha... calm down man...
I was using a comparison with this rather extreme set of circumstances to illustrate how insane this industry is, and how backward the interviewing/selection process can be regarding evaluating a person's decision making ability. If you actually thought I was comparing 3 DUI's to flight school, well... I can't help you there.
Hyperbole. It's a useful literary device, but only when your audience chooses to assume a reasonable level of discourse.
The OP didn't come here to be interviewed by us, he came here to seek information regarding how actual interviewers might evaluate him. It doesn't matter if it's a "game ender" in your mind, it matters what a Chief Pilot's office will think of it. To which we can only say for certain: Put your apps out, and see who calls.
I was using a comparison with this rather extreme set of circumstances to illustrate how insane this industry is, and how backward the interviewing/selection process can be regarding evaluating a person's decision making ability. If you actually thought I was comparing 3 DUI's to flight school, well... I can't help you there.
Hyperbole. It's a useful literary device, but only when your audience chooses to assume a reasonable level of discourse.
The OP didn't come here to be interviewed by us, he came here to seek information regarding how actual interviewers might evaluate him. It doesn't matter if it's a "game ender" in your mind, it matters what a Chief Pilot's office will think of it. To which we can only say for certain: Put your apps out, and see who calls.
And I could be an actual interviewer and the OP should know there are plenty of us out there who don't believe a person with his/her history should be let into a cockpit of a commercial airliner again. Choices have consequences. Read your pilot certificate, it says privileges, not rights.
08-17-2014 | 08:21 PM
#134
Gets Weekends Off
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From: Captain
The original posting was flame bait. How do I know?
Because someone that had ready worked in the past 10 yrs in the 121 world (as the op professed) would already know the answer to his question....just as you all do.
But thanks for playing!! Sorry, there are no parting gifts for you!
Because someone that had ready worked in the past 10 yrs in the 121 world (as the op professed) would already know the answer to his question....just as you all do.
But thanks for playing!! Sorry, there are no parting gifts for you!
08-17-2014 | 08:41 PM
#135
Works Every Weekend
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And I could be an actual interviewer and the OP should know there are plenty of us out there who don't believe a person with his/her history should be let into a cockpit of a commercial airliner again. Choices have consequences. Read your pilot certificate, it says privileges, not rights.
Troll level: Jedi.
08-17-2014 | 08:45 PM
#136
Day puke
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Okay, so let's all assume this is flame bait.
Let's pretend for a moment the OP was presenting a hypothetical.
We have already determined that a guy with three OVIs should go to hell and never fly a plane. We have already said he is a horrible person (as opposed to the rest of us who have driven buzzed, or sleepy, or while texting ONLY ONCE). He is the embodiment of evil (and all the rest of us are saints).
There are folks who have screwed up and turned the corner on getting their life back together. Even if the OP is a baiter, his question could be constructive to those who are getting back on the right track.
Or we can just ignore the times we were impaired, and take the holier than thou road.
I do NOT excuse the OP for his past actions. Nor do I excuse an ex con for his actions. But I AM willing to give him the chance to prove his recovery.
How can we, as fellow pilots, help a guy who IS turning himself around?
This is a chance to help the one in a million guy (who probably hasn't admitted his fault because he knew people would jump all over him). This is our chance to help a fallen soul get back on track.
I know many of the folks on this site call themselves Christians. They should follow their savior's words, "Go forth, and sin no more." It isn't about the sin, it is about changing one's actions to avoid further sin.
If a guy is truly trying to recover, let's help him. Maybe he should not fly a plane full of pax. But giving him a chance to prove himself flying boxes is reasonable.
Or maybe righteous indignation is the order of the day.
Let's pretend for a moment the OP was presenting a hypothetical.
We have already determined that a guy with three OVIs should go to hell and never fly a plane. We have already said he is a horrible person (as opposed to the rest of us who have driven buzzed, or sleepy, or while texting ONLY ONCE). He is the embodiment of evil (and all the rest of us are saints).
There are folks who have screwed up and turned the corner on getting their life back together. Even if the OP is a baiter, his question could be constructive to those who are getting back on the right track.
Or we can just ignore the times we were impaired, and take the holier than thou road.
I do NOT excuse the OP for his past actions. Nor do I excuse an ex con for his actions. But I AM willing to give him the chance to prove his recovery.
How can we, as fellow pilots, help a guy who IS turning himself around?
This is a chance to help the one in a million guy (who probably hasn't admitted his fault because he knew people would jump all over him). This is our chance to help a fallen soul get back on track.
I know many of the folks on this site call themselves Christians. They should follow their savior's words, "Go forth, and sin no more." It isn't about the sin, it is about changing one's actions to avoid further sin.
If a guy is truly trying to recover, let's help him. Maybe he should not fly a plane full of pax. But giving him a chance to prove himself flying boxes is reasonable.
Or maybe righteous indignation is the order of the day.
08-17-2014 | 09:14 PM
#140
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Okay, so let's all assume this is flame bait.
Let's pretend for a moment the OP was presenting a hypothetical.
We have already determined that a guy with three OVIs should go to hell and never fly a plane. We have already said he is a horrible person (as opposed to the rest of us who have driven buzzed, or sleepy, or while texting ONLY ONCE). He is the embodiment of evil (and all the rest of us are saints).
There are folks who have screwed up and turned the corner on getting their life back together. Even if the OP is a baiter, his question could be constructive to those who are getting back on the right track.
Or we can just ignore the times we were impaired, and take the holier than thou road.
I do NOT excuse the OP for his past actions. Nor do I excuse an ex con for his actions. But I AM willing to give him the chance to prove his recovery.
How can we, as fellow pilots, help a guy who IS turning himself around?
This is a chance to help the one in a million guy (who probably hasn't admitted his fault because he knew people would jump all over him). This is our chance to help a fallen soul get back on track.
I know many of the folks on this site call themselves Christians. They should follow their savior's words, "Go forth, and sin no more." It isn't about the sin, it is about changing one's actions to avoid further sin.
If a guy is truly trying to recover, let's help him. Maybe he should not fly a plane full of pax. But giving him a chance to prove himself flying boxes is reasonable.
Or maybe righteous indignation is the order of the day.
Let's pretend for a moment the OP was presenting a hypothetical.
We have already determined that a guy with three OVIs should go to hell and never fly a plane. We have already said he is a horrible person (as opposed to the rest of us who have driven buzzed, or sleepy, or while texting ONLY ONCE). He is the embodiment of evil (and all the rest of us are saints).
There are folks who have screwed up and turned the corner on getting their life back together. Even if the OP is a baiter, his question could be constructive to those who are getting back on the right track.
Or we can just ignore the times we were impaired, and take the holier than thou road.
I do NOT excuse the OP for his past actions. Nor do I excuse an ex con for his actions. But I AM willing to give him the chance to prove his recovery.
How can we, as fellow pilots, help a guy who IS turning himself around?
This is a chance to help the one in a million guy (who probably hasn't admitted his fault because he knew people would jump all over him). This is our chance to help a fallen soul get back on track.
I know many of the folks on this site call themselves Christians. They should follow their savior's words, "Go forth, and sin no more." It isn't about the sin, it is about changing one's actions to avoid further sin.
If a guy is truly trying to recover, let's help him. Maybe he should not fly a plane full of pax. But giving him a chance to prove himself flying boxes is reasonable.
Or maybe righteous indignation is the order of the day.
