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View Poll Results: Should Regional Airlines Flatten Pay Scales
Yes, and I am a Regional Airline Captain 10 6.10%
Yes, and I am a Regional Airline First Officer 39 23.78%
Yes, and I am a Prospective Regional Airline Pilot 7 4.27%
Yes, and I am a Major Airline Pilot 11 6.71%
Yes, and I am a Non Airline Pro Pilot 6 3.66%
No, and I am a Regional Airline Captain 27 16.46%
No, and I am a Regional Airline First Officer 36 21.95%
No, and I am a Prospective Regional Airline Pilot 1 0.61%
No, and I am a Major Airline Pilot 22 13.41%
No, and I am a Non Airline Pro Pilot 5 3.05%
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:29 PM   #51  
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....And ALPA would be the first to welcome him to the airline, as long as he pays his dues.







Very sad isn't it...
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Remember what makes you a captain, its not your skill, its when you got hired ONLY. Both pilots in the cockpit do basically the same job, and violations and certificate actions come in pairs, not just to the captain. There should be a flatter version so that this industry can hire otherwise you entitled captains might find yourselves in downgrade class earning pennies. Then, you would have a different perspective about the pay scale.

Even better would be if captain pay stayed the same and our greedy mainline partners paid more to increase FO pay to narrow the gap.




You do realize that pretty much every captain started out as a first officer right? How is our "perspective" lacking??
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:42 PM   #53  
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Remember what makes you a captain, its not your skill, its when you got hired ONLY. Both pilots in the cockpit do basically the same job, and violations and certificate actions come in pairs, not just to the captain. There should be a flatter version so that this industry can hire otherwise you entitled captains might find yourselves in downgrade class earning pennies. Then, you would have a different perspective about the pay scale.

Even better would be if captain pay stayed the same and our greedy mainline partners paid more to increase FO pay to narrow the gap.








You do realize that pretty much every captain started out as a first officer right? How is our "perspective" lacking??
Because a lot of regional captains upgraded in 18 months to two years, while some were even hired as street captains. That's why you lack perspective.
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:58 AM   #54  
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Because a lot of regional captains upgraded in 18 months to two years, while some were even hired as street captains. That's why you lack perspective.








I knew that would be the entitled groups argument...

Had to work many crappy jobs and fly thousands and thousands of hours before they would even consider us back then. Flew air ambulance, night freight(loading and unloading required), charter, etc. Did that for a lot longer than 18 months to 2 years. Nobody was doing street captains then, and wouldn't have wanted a job at a place so crappy that they'd need them either!
How's that for "perspective"?
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Old 09-01-2014, 04:44 AM   #55  
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None of what you said is relevant to the facts that:

A) It is unfair they do not have what they want when they want it, and
B) It is unfair the world does not orbit around them as it used to when their parents were failing so utterly to raise them.

Do not attempt to apply reason; it has no place in this discussion.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:37 AM   #56  
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Well why are regional CAs entitled to such high wages? The only reason you are a regional CA for more than 5 years is that you are a failure - a lifer plain and simple.

It's not about FOs being entitled to better money, it's the amount of idiots at the top who can't hack it so they stay safe in their tiny RJ cockpit getting fluff checkrides from their buddies.

Keep the pay scales the same, just force out loser lifers.

For every CA that has a low time pilot he or she was baby sitting, I have a CA that would have gotten us violated.

But the guys here don't seem to realize violations come in pairs or that at an airline, the only difference between a CA and an experienced FO is their spot on the list.

Just ask all those entitled Pinnacle FOs (displaced CAs) slinging gear for junior Colgan CAs...

Yes, it's all the FOs fault, they are entitled brats from the Me generation.
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Well why are regional CAs entitled to such high wages? The only reason you are a regional CA for more than 5 years is that you are a failure - a lifer plain and simple.

It's not about FOs being entitled to better money, it's the amount of idiots at the top who can't hack it so they stay safe in their tiny RJ cockpit getting fluff checkrides from their buddies.

Keep the pay scales the same, just force out loser lifers.

For every CA that has a low time pilot he or she was baby sitting, I have a CA that would have gotten us violated.

But the guys here don't seem to realize violations come in pairs or that at an airline, the only difference between a CA and an experienced FO is their spot on the list.

Just ask all those entitled Pinnacle FOs (displaced CAs) slinging gear for junior Colgan CAs...

Yes, it's all the FOs fault, they are entitled brats from the Me generation.
You sound like gods gift to avaition!
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Well why are regional CAs entitled to such high wages?
There can only be one factual answer to that question regardless of which side of the argument you fall on. It's because a small, select group of pilots decided that was the way it was going to be.
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If you don't like the pay why do you show up for the job? Look in the mirror, you're the one responsible for the pay. No one forced you to work for the rate you signed up for.

Why does the job pay $22 an hour to start. Because there are plenty of pilots willing to accept it. -- including you.

RJ captain should pay $100 an hour minimum. After all that's only second year FO pay at most legacies. Why does it pay less. Because 99% of the regional pilots have agreed to less.
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There can only be one factual answer to that question regardless of which side of the argument you fall on. It's because a small, select group of pilots decided that was the way it was going to be.
Not true. While a small group may be responsible for negotiating pay scales, each pilot, regardless of seat, carries equal weight when the whole group votes to ratify or decline them.

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Yes, it's all the FOs fault, they are entitled brats from the Me generation.
Not all of them. You seem to fit that mold, however. It is (sadly) ironic that your attempt at sarcasm, at least in your case, hit so close to objective truth.

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