Contracts aside, they took a/c offered to Envoy. Why aren't you comparing us together. Why the double standard?

 

Well, here's another battle decisively won by management. Bet they love to talk about this at the clubhouse.

Here's who to blame:

1) Legacy management teams - for being so darned smart and utterly ruthless.
2) Ford and Harrison (see above).
3) ALPA. Man have they ever been played (by above).

Everyone is hating on POTUS for "not having a plan". Well, that right there sums up ALPA to a tee.

Our complete lack of seniority, longevity, and experiential portability makes us very easy to exploit. I agree that coming up with a solution would be extremely difficult and end up with lots of disappointment. However, not having a solution means we have already ceded the battle.

Every pilot group is going to look after their own interests above all else, because every pilot is entirely invested in his current job, because his experience and seniority is completely non-portable. Until we fix that, we will squabble amongst ourselves and management will continue to win decisively.

With no union supported pathway up the food chain, every possible future "better job" (leaving a regional for a legacy or LCC) is pure fantasy until the paycheck with the new logo arrives. With those forces combined, how can anyone blame a regional pilot for thinking "I will do whatever I must to make my current job better, because my current job might be as good as it gets".

The real blame rests with ALPA for not having a plan.

 

Using the same logic in here, I would expect expressjet bubbas to deny jumpseats to any dal 717 dudes since they are "stealing" their flying


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Oh yeah, I forgot about ALPA's acceptance of absurdly low first year pay (with the exceptions of current Delta, United, and FedEx). With poverty level starting pay, even pilots willing to throw away their current seniority to move to a marginally better employer, simply can't afford to, thereby reinforcing their willingness to act entirely in their own self-interest without regard to "the good of the whole industry". Why the hell should any pilot care about "the good of the industry" when their own "union" prevents them from benefiting from "the good of the industry"?

 

Here's an idea. If a PSA guy shows up for the JS, ask him/her to provide a proof of voting no. If they don't have one... oh well

 

Oh come on... you know you get a kick out of denying go jet or PSA jumps eaters....

 

The current "American Eagle" painted airplanes flown by SkyWest, ExpressJet, and Republic were not awarded as a result of pilots voting in massive concessions. Also, Compass got contractual improvements just prior to getting awarded Eagle's E175. Those pilots had nothing to do with their companies taking our flying.

The "American Eagle" painted airplanes flown by PSA were awarded to PSA as a direct result of PSA pilots voting in massive concessions and greatly lowering the bar. PSA pilots had everything to do with PSA taking Eagle's flying.

It's pretty obvious why Eagle guys are mad at PSA and not mad at ExpressJet pilots, etc.

 

Hey, calm down buddy. Most here at Eagle don't have a problem with Expressjet. You guys stood up with us against concessions. Even if you get more of our flying, we have no problem with that if you're not undermining efforts to get compensated properly for flying aircraft.

 

Have you ever voted on a contract?

There is no way to have concrete proof of anything. Sure you could screen shot your "voting against" but once you screen shot it you can just go change to "voting in favor." Your "idea" doesn't work.

Here's another "idea", how about acting like an adult, and the professional pilot that you supposedly are?

If you deny a PSA pilot today you have an about 80% chance of denying someone that did not vote yes to our LOA. In a couple months, and especially after December you'll have more than a 90% chance of denying the wrong person.......So 9 out of every 10 times you'll be denying a person who either voted no, or wasn't on the property at the time of the vote.

 

Massive concessions? PSA got an increase in pay for the majority of pilots. It is pretty small, but an increase is and increase. PSA got improvements to mainline hiring. It's not flow through but and increase is an increase. Envoy voted down the flying. Once that happened it was no longer Envoys to be had.