Mason32 Says: No ATP Writtens Since August 1
10-15-2014, 05:32 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop
Assuming the data point is correct:
How many got the written done before the deadline? Are we just looking at a temporary drop?
How many are just waiting for more programs to open up? How many applications are in the pipeline?
I was under the impression that a regional airline training program counts as an approved program. If so, most will just go to the regional class and the written test will become part of the program.
How many got the written done before the deadline? Are we just looking at a temporary drop?
How many are just waiting for more programs to open up? How many applications are in the pipeline?
I was under the impression that a regional airline training program counts as an approved program. If so, most will just go to the regional class and the written test will become part of the program.
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10-15-2014, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech90
I was unable to take the written before the deadline because I wasn't 21 at the time. I currently fly 135 freight with a HORRIBLE QOL. I'd like to work my way to a regional within a month or two. I'm lucky enough to be debt free, and I was able to save enough to pay for the course. Should I just fork over the $4500....I can't fly cargo for another year in hopes that a airline will get a course going
The good news is that though it's not what you wanted, by the time you reach the magic age of 23 there may indeed be a variety of airlines that have a program that will qualify you to take the written without having to pay the $4500.
10-15-2014, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YAKflyer
Beech90....I hope you are able to find a job with acceptable QOL. You have an additional problem for the time being....you are too young to be hired even if you had the written passed. Unfortunately, to be in either seat, you have to have be type rated and have your ATP. You are to young to hold the ATP.
The good news is that though it's not what you wanted, by the time you reach the magic age of 23 there may indeed be a variety of airlines that have a program that will qualify you to take the written without having to pay the $4500.
The good news is that though it's not what you wanted, by the time you reach the magic age of 23 there may indeed be a variety of airlines that have a program that will qualify you to take the written without having to pay the $4500.
Thanks for the response, however I qualify for a R-ATP.
The FAA changed the rules for first officers - announcing new requirements on July 10, 2013. In short, on August 1, 2013, the FAA requires SIC's to hold an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (ATP), but the certificate may have restricted privileges. An ATP with restricted privileges requires you to:
Be 21 years old
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Instrument Rating
Complete an Airline Transport Pilot Certification Training Program (ATP CTP)
Pass the ATP knowledge and practical test
And meet the flight time requirements of FAR 61.160 - roughly 1,500 hours
Before this change, SIC's only needed a Commercial Pilot Certificate - roughly 250 hours of flight time - so this is a big change. However, the FAA recognizes that great training can make up for some raw experience. They've made exceptions for pilots coming through certain training programs, allowing them to earn an ATP with restricted privileges in less time. The exceptions are:
Military pilots need only 750 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time
Graduates from approved four-year universities with a Bachelor's degree and an aviation major need only 1000 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time if they:
Complete at least 60 credit hours of aviation related coursework, and
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate that was earned through the university's part 141 training program
If they complete less than 60 credit hours, but at least 30 credit hours, they need 1250 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time
Graduates from approved two-year colleges with an Associate's degree and an aviation major need only 1250 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time if they:
Complete at least 30 credit hours of aviation related coursework, and
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate that was earned through the school's part 141 training program.
Other pilots need 1500 hours total time and 200 hours cross-country time
Be 21 years old
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Instrument Rating
Complete an Airline Transport Pilot Certification Training Program (ATP CTP)
Pass the ATP knowledge and practical test
And meet the flight time requirements of FAR 61.160 - roughly 1,500 hours
Before this change, SIC's only needed a Commercial Pilot Certificate - roughly 250 hours of flight time - so this is a big change. However, the FAA recognizes that great training can make up for some raw experience. They've made exceptions for pilots coming through certain training programs, allowing them to earn an ATP with restricted privileges in less time. The exceptions are:
Military pilots need only 750 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time
Graduates from approved four-year universities with a Bachelor's degree and an aviation major need only 1000 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time if they:
Complete at least 60 credit hours of aviation related coursework, and
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate that was earned through the university's part 141 training program
If they complete less than 60 credit hours, but at least 30 credit hours, they need 1250 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time
Graduates from approved two-year colleges with an Associate's degree and an aviation major need only 1250 hours total flight time and 200 hours cross-country time if they:
Complete at least 30 credit hours of aviation related coursework, and
Hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate that was earned through the school's part 141 training program.
Other pilots need 1500 hours total time and 200 hours cross-country time
10-15-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Nope. When it comes to flight marketing and sales, frequency is king.
10-15-2014, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by embraer
Nope. That is true if only one airline is reducing frequencies. When all the big 3 airlines are reducing frequencies by replacing 5 RJs with one 737 it's a wash. There consumer has no other competitor to run to and simply has to adjust.
10-15-2014, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Westerner
From my understanding it has to be done before prior to beginning 121 training. That is why no quick solution of just adding it to the
curriculum.
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10-15-2014, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bruhaha
Level-C means you'll have to go fly the real thing to get your landings. Level-D all the landings can be done in the simulator.
Originally Posted by Westerner
From my understanding it has to be done before prior to beginning 121 training. That is why no quick solution of just adding it to the curriculum.
Woah that was quick.
10-16-2014, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
How's life in the 1980s?
So you add a course prior to Indoc training which gets everybody their written.
Woah that was quick.
So you add a course prior to Indoc training which gets everybody their written.
Woah that was quick.
10-16-2014, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Westerner
You can't take the written without the sim training, and the sim training you get in 121 isn't allowed, so there is extra sim and classroom time required that's prohibitively expensive at this point.
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