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10-16-2014 | 08:42 PM

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I believe they could go to any CATS or Lasergrade testing site to take the actual written. There's at least a few of those in each city.

10-16-2014 | 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skypilot35

Please correct me if Im wrong, but the ATP CTP only enables the applicant to take the ATP written. So in addition to offering an approved ATP CTP course, an airline would also have to become an authorized administrator of tests. Once the applicant has passed the written only then would they be be able to proceed with the ground school curriculum.

Am I correct?

They need the CTP done before starting the official new hire syllabus. They can take the written at any usual testing center and must have it done before their ATP check. Could be 1-2 months after the course.

10-16-2014 | 08:46 PM

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I wonder what happens if a "sponsored" applicant fails the ATP written after the money has been spent on the ATP CTP. Additionally, having to study for the ATP written and attending a Part 121 ground school at the same time would be interesting.

10-17-2014 | 03:32 AM

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Mason32 Says: No ATP Writtens Since August 1

Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

10-17-2014 | 04:25 AM

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Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

I believe the written is required only prior to your ATP checkride (oral/practical) as far as the FAA is concerned. It's more of a company requirement to have it done prior ground school.

10-17-2014 | 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Westerner

You can't take the written without the sim training, and the sim training you get in 121 isn't allowed, so there is extra sim and classroom time required that's prohibitively expensive at this point.

It's very simple, you take the cockpit procedures training segment of the training in the simulator. The path for airlines to do this has been laid out already, there is just minor changes to the training curriculum.

How Regional Airlines might deal with new ATP written requirements | Airline Pilot Info

10-17-2014 | 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tom11011

No whoever wrote that didn't do his research. The final rule clearly states the CTP must be done before the official 121 new hire syllabus. If a company is working on some sort of workaround then good luck to them, but it's an uphill battle with a clear rule.

10-17-2014 | 05:30 AM

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Can someone point out in the new reg where it is that you have to have the CTP or the written done before a 121 indoc?

In the Final Rule from July 2013.

Although part 121 and part 135 operators may elect to offer this training for their pilots, it would remain separate from part 121 and part 135 training requirements. Because the proposed ATP CTP is part of the basic certification requirements for an ATP certificate, air carriers who elect to offer this training would be required to provide the course to their pilots prior to beginning initial training. The FAA proposed that principal operations inspectors may approve a reduction of hours in an air carrier's initial training program based on material taught in the ATP CTP. However, because the ATP CTP requirements are basic certification requirements, these hours could not be reduced based on the contents of an air carrier's initial training program.

10-17-2014 | 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beech90

Thanks for the response, however I qualify for a R-ATP.

Where did you take your ATP CTP courses? How much did they charge you?

10-17-2014 | 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Beech90

I was unable to take the written before the deadline because I wasn't 21 at the time. ... Should I just fork over the $4500....I can't fly cargo for another year in hopes that a airline will get a course going

He didn't. You can get a R-ATP if you have 1500 hours and are 21.