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Pilottim79 11-10-2014 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 1761350)
You honestly think we are doing to keep the ep's?

If it makes money, Hulas will fly it.

RodJohnson 11-10-2014 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Pilottim79 (Post 1761476)
If it makes money, Hulas will fly it.

That's true, plus we only have 7 EP's and 3 MP's unless they want to get rid of some of the non reverse LR's, I don't know where this 18 airframe replacement number is coming from..

Mcnamw05 11-10-2014 06:14 PM

Iad CP said net gain of 20 planes

TeamRamRod 11-10-2014 08:22 PM

Man my brain hurts....

I swear people are blindfolded throwing crap at a dart board and whatever number gets hit, that's going to be the net gain. A DEN captain that's tied into the union and is tied into the certification at the FSDO just told me the real facts on the phone. TSA is keeping all the EPs and MPs and replacing the thrust reverser equipped LRs with the new thrust reverser LRs with less pieces of speed tape on them. The LRs in United colors will primarily be used on USAirways routes between PIT, BDL, and RDU. The EPs in USAirways paint will be flying STL - IAH, IAH - JAX, and IAD - JAX under the United name, primarily for passenger comfort so they don't have to sit next to anyone because it'll be half full due to weight restrictions. So, since there are only 3 LRs that currently have TRs, that leaves 33 airplanes left over. TSA is no longer doing sim training at FSI, the remaining 33 airplanes will be used to train the CQFOs that aren't needed for such small net growth. Looks like everyone except me is wrong....Ha!


Now that the facts are out of the way..... let's point out some things that are absolutely absurd and make NO sense whatsoever.

TSA operates 7 EPs total. TWO (2) are United colors. 802 and 857. The rest are in USAirways or TSA colors. The ones in TSA colors (806,812,825) are used on occasion, if needed, and will be used for charters. So even if the two United Eps would be replaced, that leaves 34 net gain. TSA has 3 MPs. For fun, let's say they get rid of all those. Down to 31 net gain now. 20? 18? Nope. The ONLY way I can come up with 18 airplanes is dumping every United LR without thrust reversers (16) and the 2 United EPs. Seems pretty logical considering the non-TR equipped airplanes have operated just fine with the exception of Ottawa (time will tell on that operation this winter/spring). Let's not forget, a good amount of these non-TR equipped airplanes that are undoubtedly being parked were repainted within the last 4 months... probably so they look good in the desert.

Where do you guys think this stuff up?

Since I'm not much of a popcorn guy, I'm gonna go get some whiskey.

RodJohnson 11-10-2014 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRamRod (Post 1761537)
Man my brain hurts....

I swear people are blindfolded throwing crap at a dart board and whatever number gets hit, that's going to be the net gain. A DEN captain that's tied into the union and is tied into the certification at the FSDO just told me the real facts on the phone. TSA is keeping all the EPs and MPs and replacing the thrust reverser equipped LRs with the new thrust reverser LRs with less pieces of speed tape on them. The LRs in United colors will primarily be used on USAirways routes between PIT, BDL, and RDU. The EPs in USAirways paint will be flying STL - IAH, IAH - JAX, and IAD - JAX under the United name, primarily for passenger comfort so they don't have to sit next to anyone because it'll be half full due to weight restrictions. So, since there are only 3 LRs that currently have TRs, that leaves 33 airplanes left over. TSA is no longer doing sim training at FSI, the remaining 33 airplanes will be used to train the CQFOs that aren't needed for such small net growth. Looks like everyone except me is wrong....Ha!


Now that the facts are out of the way..... let's point out some things that are absolutely absurd and make NO sense whatsoever.

TSA operates 7 EPs total. TWO (2) are United colors. 802 and 857. The rest are in USAirways or TSA colors. The ones in TSA colors (806,812,825) are used on occasion, if needed, and will be used for charters. So even if the two United Eps would be replaced, that leaves 34 net gain. TSA has 3 MPs. For fun, let's say they get rid of all those. Down to 31 net gain now. 20? 18? Nope. The ONLY way I can come up with 18 airplanes is dumping every United LR without thrust reversers (16) and the 2 United EPs. Seems pretty logical considering the non-TR equipped airplanes have operated just fine with the exception of Ottawa (time will tell on that operation this winter/spring). Let's not forget, a good amount of these non-TR equipped airplanes that are undoubtedly being parked were repainted within the last 4 months... probably so they look good in the desert.

Where do you guys think this stuff up?

Since I'm not much of a popcorn guy, I'm gonna go get some whiskey.

Basically what I've said but in a way more ****ed off long winded kinda post.. Thanks my friend! And have a shot for me.. Lol

MavAv8r 11-10-2014 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRamRod (Post 1761537)
Man my brain hurts....

I swear people are blindfolded throwing crap at a dart board and whatever number gets hit, that's going to be the net gain. A DEN captain that's tied into the union and is tied into the certification at the FSDO just told me the real facts on the phone. TSA is keeping all the EPs and MPs and replacing the thrust reverser equipped LRs with the new thrust reverser LRs with less pieces of speed tape on them. The LRs in United colors will primarily be used on USAirways routes between PIT, BDL, and RDU. The EPs in USAirways paint will be flying STL - IAH, IAH - JAX, and IAD - JAX under the United name, primarily for passenger comfort so they don't have to sit next to anyone because it'll be half full due to weight restrictions. So, since there are only 3 LRs that currently have TRs, that leaves 33 airplanes left over. TSA is no longer doing sim training at FSI, the remaining 33 airplanes will be used to train the CQFOs that aren't needed for such small net growth. Looks like everyone except me is wrong....Ha!


Now that the facts are out of the way..... let's point out some things that are absolutely absurd and make NO sense whatsoever.

TSA operates 7 EPs total. TWO (2) are United colors. 802 and 857. The rest are in USAirways or TSA colors. The ones in TSA colors (806,812,825) are used on occasion, if needed, and will be used for charters. So even if the two United Eps would be replaced, that leaves 34 net gain. TSA has 3 MPs. For fun, let's say they get rid of all those. Down to 31 net gain now. 20? 18? Nope. The ONLY way I can come up with 18 airplanes is dumping every United LR without thrust reversers (16) and the 2 United EPs. Seems pretty logical considering the non-TR equipped airplanes have operated just fine with the exception of Ottawa (time will tell on that operation this winter/spring). Let's not forget, a good amount of these non-TR equipped airplanes that are undoubtedly being parked were repainted within the last 4 months... probably so they look good in the desert.

Where do you guys think this stuff up?

Since I'm not much of a popcorn guy, I'm gonna go get some whiskey.



Amen. Pretty much said the same thing, less angry, in the other thread. The Waterskier group has been repeatedly pi**ed on. The guys that went there made the right choice, and it looks like a great chance for some high time regional FO's to finally get o the left seat. Thankfully Archrdrvr will not be one of them.

minimwage4 11-10-2014 08:49 PM

Damn what did this ArcherDvr do???

MavAv8r 11-10-2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 1761546)
Damn what did this ArcherDvr do???

Judging from the intelligence level of his posts and the misconceptions of the company... Something that rhymes with being a woosh tag, and that's enough for me to keep him out of any 121 flight deck.

RodJohnson 11-10-2014 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 1761546)
Damn what did this ArcherDvr do???

He got fired, then blamed the company, most importantly,the recruiting dept for it..

kcflying 11-10-2014 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRamRod (Post 1761537)
Man my brain hurts....

I swear people are blindfolded throwing crap at a dart board and whatever number gets hit, that's going to be the net gain. A DEN captain that's tied into the union and is tied into the certification at the FSDO just told me the real facts on the phone. TSA is keeping all the EPs and MPs and replacing the thrust reverser equipped LRs with the new thrust reverser LRs with less pieces of speed tape on them. The LRs in United colors will primarily be used on USAirways routes between PIT, BDL, and RDU. The EPs in USAirways paint will be flying STL - IAH, IAH - JAX, and IAD - JAX under the United name, primarily for passenger comfort so they don't have to sit next to anyone because it'll be half full due to weight restrictions. So, since there are only 3 LRs that currently have TRs, that leaves 33 airplanes left over. TSA is no longer doing sim training at FSI, the remaining 33 airplanes will be used to train the CQFOs that aren't needed for such small net growth. Looks like everyone except me is wrong....Ha!


Now that the facts are out of the way..... let's point out some things that are absolutely absurd and make NO sense whatsoever.

TSA operates 7 EPs total. TWO (2) are United colors. 802 and 857. The rest are in USAirways or TSA colors. The ones in TSA colors (806,812,825) are used on occasion, if needed, and will be used for charters. So even if the two United Eps would be replaced, that leaves 34 net gain. TSA has 3 MPs. For fun, let's say they get rid of all those. Down to 31 net gain now. 20? 18? Nope. The ONLY way I can come up with 18 airplanes is dumping every United LR without thrust reversers (16) and the 2 United EPs. Seems pretty logical considering the non-TR equipped airplanes have operated just fine with the exception of Ottawa (time will tell on that operation this winter/spring). Let's not forget, a good amount of these non-TR equipped airplanes that are undoubtedly being parked were repainted within the last 4 months... probably so they look good in the desert.

Where do you guys think this stuff up?

Since I'm not much of a popcorn guy, I'm gonna go get some whiskey.

I posted my info from a couple union/training sources that wanted to clarify how many we were actually adding which would be helpful to tell any friends thinking about come to tsa. 36 new planes for TSA included replacing 18 whose contracts were expiring this year. I trust these sources, but who knows. Hopefully the company will continue with more details this week including which hubs the flying will go to


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