Mainline buying regionals
12-10-2014 | 08:53 AM
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Yes, DAL is only going to hurt themselves in the long run. I fully believe they are very much a house of cards. I do not believe they will be doing well 5-10 years from now.
Meanwhile, they are hiring military fighter pilots with no airline or crew experience, regional FOs who are connected or meet the right demographics, and regional captains right at 1000 hours PIC. Experienced regional Captains above 3000 PIC need not apply, because they are viewed as "untrainable", "undesirable", and too set in their ways. Nevermind that this was the competitive mins in the last hiring cycle. And these Captains who aren't good enough to fly DAL passengers from the right seat of a 110 seat B717 are just fine to fly DAL passengers from the left seat of a 76 seat CRJ900 on the exact same route. Oh the irony.
Yes, if DAL keeps it up, AA and UAL will have cornered the pilot labor market. But hey, they can hire who they want I guess. As the hundreds of signs in ATL say "World's Greatest Employees". Even the 22 year old female MD88 copilot who never commanded an airliner, but now has better career expectations than the 20 year airline captain.
Meanwhile, they are hiring military fighter pilots with no airline or crew experience, regional FOs who are connected or meet the right demographics, and regional captains right at 1000 hours PIC. Experienced regional Captains above 3000 PIC need not apply, because they are viewed as "untrainable", "undesirable", and too set in their ways. Nevermind that this was the competitive mins in the last hiring cycle. And these Captains who aren't good enough to fly DAL passengers from the right seat of a 110 seat B717 are just fine to fly DAL passengers from the left seat of a 76 seat CRJ900 on the exact same route. Oh the irony.
Yes, if DAL keeps it up, AA and UAL will have cornered the pilot labor market. But hey, they can hire who they want I guess. As the hundreds of signs in ATL say "World's Greatest Employees". Even the 22 year old female MD88 copilot who never commanded an airliner, but now has better career expectations than the 20 year airline captain.
12-10-2014 | 09:33 AM
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What the hell is up with the serious entitlement issues among regional pilots? Why should ANY RJ pilot be entitled to anything more than a chance for an interview just like the tens of thousands of mainline pilots before them? Just take a look at the miserable failure of integrating a mainline carrier with a regional when Republic tried to consolidate F9 with a bunch of whiny, spoiled, overly-entitled RJ kids. The blatant seniority grab was appalling. If anything, all regionals should be phased out of existence and those that can't qualify for a real job based on their merits should be forced out of aviation.
12-10-2014 | 09:36 AM
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What the hell is up with the serious entitlement issues among regional pilots? Why should ANY RJ pilot be entitled to anything more than a chance for an interview just like the tens of thousands of mainline pilots before them? Just take a look at the miserable failure of integrating a mainline carrier with a regional when Republic tried to consolidate F9 with a bunch of whiny, spoiled, overly-entitled RJ kids. The blatant seniority grab was appalling. If anything, all regionals should be phased out of existence and those that can't qualify for a real job based on their merits should be forced out of aviation.
However, since there is a shortage of pilots, regional pilots have some leverage. My personal opinion is that if management wants to continue getting pilots to work like this, they have to promise a better job in the future. AA already recognizes this, and the pilots are moving there.
12-10-2014 | 09:49 AM
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The issue at hand is why any RJ pilot should be entitled to skip the rigorous hiring process set by major airlines. It would further cheapen the profession if those highly coveted jobs were just handed out to any idiot regardless of their qualifications. It's a sad but true fact that hiring standards at regionals are not even in the same league as majors.
12-10-2014 | 09:58 AM
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The issue at hand is why any RJ pilot should be entitled to skip the rigorous hiring process set by major airlines. It would further cheapen the profession if those highly coveted jobs were just handed out to any idiot regardless of their qualifications. It's a sad but true fact that hiring standards at regionals are not even in the same league as majors.
BTW, a friend of mine on the first page of the DAL seniority list, was never hired by a mainline, over the years he was acquired to that position.
12-10-2014 | 11:36 AM
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Why is it, when guys around here ask to have the same opportunity as you had, (XJ flow-through), you call them out as entitled and such?
12-10-2014 | 12:30 PM
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I was giving some examples as to why there was a high failure rate for some of the early SSP folks. I flew with an FO last month who does new hire interviews and these were some reasons he stated that were common issues with the SSP invites. I didn't call SSP hopefuls entitled. I said that an entitled attitude at the interview will quickly wash them out. There are a ton of successful SSP pilots @ Delta and it's great to see all the familiar names on the seniority list. I'm happy for each one of them as well as equally disappointed for each one who doesn't succeed in the process.
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