Airline Pilot Demand
12-16-2014 | 04:49 PM
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Where I might be concerned as a 121 captain is some doof with 10 hours of night, zero actual, 4 failed rides, and three extra IOE trips saying "I got dis bra".
12-16-2014 | 06:33 PM
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There are many people that struggle with a faster paced training that is common now in compared to years past. When all students were 300 hour pilots, training was much slower and it was more about individual training. Now, with everyone at 1500 hours (and many lateral moves with guys coming in with 5000+ hours) training is faster paced and you are expected to be more proficient.
After 1500 hours in a C172, you are really not much of a better pilot than you were after 500 hours. Many pilots do not have any real world experience, and instructed to get all of their time. No turbine experience, no real cross country experience, no experience in icing/convective weather, no experience in complex airspaces (DC, NYC, LAX).
After 1500 hours in a C172, you are really not much of a better pilot than you were after 500 hours. Many pilots do not have any real world experience, and instructed to get all of their time. No turbine experience, no real cross country experience, no experience in icing/convective weather, no experience in complex airspaces (DC, NYC, LAX).
exactly true, a study was done by UND and found that most pilots start to become harder to train once they reach a certain amount of hours, usually around 1300 or so. the pilot gets into the complacent mode, it would be like me trying to give a 40 year driving lessons, theyre not gonna listen to jack.
12-16-2014 | 11:16 PM
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No, that's a highly erroneous, inaccurate statement. FaceBiter is widely known to dislike Mesa and despite his sense of humor occasionally makes baseless comments. This is one of them. In classes of 25, typically one or two, maybe three, don't make it through. And even then, frequently it's related to English-as-a-second-language issues.
12-17-2014 | 12:45 AM
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No, that's a highly erroneous, inaccurate statement. FaceBiter is widely known to dislike Mesa and despite his sense of humor occasionally makes baseless comments. This is one of them. In classes of 25, typically one or two, maybe three, don't make it through. And even then, frequently it's related to English-as-a-second-language issues.
Prior121 and I are pretty sure FaceBiter is one of the ppl who was asked to leave from our class--solid person, just kind of stepped on the wrong toes at the wrong time...I hope the best for them.
12-17-2014 | 03:30 AM
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Supply will outpace demand for pilots for the next ten years like it always has. By a lot.
Fact: there are about 80,000 airline pilot jobs here in the US, based on data culled from APC employer lists.
Fact: There are about 150,000 active ATP pilots around to fill those jobs, based on public FAA airmen data. Active means they are keeping their medicals current.
That's almost a 2:1 excess of current ATP pilots, and we have not dipped into the pipeline which contains thousands of eligible Comms and CFIs.
Fact: there are about 80,000 airline pilot jobs here in the US, based on data culled from APC employer lists.
Fact: There are about 150,000 active ATP pilots around to fill those jobs, based on public FAA airmen data. Active means they are keeping their medicals current.
That's almost a 2:1 excess of current ATP pilots, and we have not dipped into the pipeline which contains thousands of eligible Comms and CFIs.
I come from a GA background and still enjoy hanging out at the local airport in Danbury, CT as well as the airport in Waterville, ME. For every airline pilot I know in my area, I know 2 guys with ATPs locally that fly KingAirs, Aerostars, Gulfstreams, etc. Nearly all those guys are in their 40s and 50s with kids and lives that they would not give up to come fly for some regional or major at half their current pay.
Yes, I'm sure there are many ATPs out there, but the number of ATPs that are willing to START a career at the bottom are far, far, far fewer and MAY not be enough. Certainly the reality of regional classes seems to hint that there may be a problem.
12-17-2014 | 03:54 AM
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exactly true, a study was done by UND and found that most pilots start to become harder to train once they reach a certain amount of hours, usually around 1300 or so. the pilot gets into the complacent mode, it would be like me trying to give a 40 year driving lessons, theyre not gonna listen to jack.
12-17-2014 | 04:50 AM
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Don't know the total number obviously - but my local airport is full of ATP's who are still flying (for fun). A lot of these guys may have flown professionally during their younger years, we have a lot of ex-corporate guys who now on airplanes along with retired TWA guys. I'm one of those former 121 ATP's who'd have interest in getting back for the right situation, but that's not happening.
There may be a pilot shortage looming at some point, but right now it's just a pay shortage that keeps guys on the sidelines.
There may be a pilot shortage looming at some point, but right now it's just a pay shortage that keeps guys on the sidelines.
12-17-2014 | 06:24 PM
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No, that's a highly erroneous, inaccurate statement. FaceBiter is widely known to dislike Mesa and despite his sense of humor occasionally makes baseless comments. This is one of them. In classes of 25, typically one or two, maybe three, don't make it through. And even then, frequently it's related to English-as-a-second-language issues.
I'm not sure why my previous reply disappeared, but I'm repeating what your boy prior121 was saying. Sim instructors are saying 50-60% pass rates due to the FAA shutting down the "bust your way to a type rating" that was going on. Not baseless my brotha.
Be well, FB.
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