Originally Posted by eaglefly

... In the past, they told new hires they'd be at AA in 5 years and some are still waiting after twice that long, with likely years to go.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

He's hoping to get more of those senior to flow to AA. If he can grease that even a little, it will be "good for me" as he said in the past. He's still very much at Envoy (DFW based EMB captain who lives locally) and he wants more senior Envoy bodies out of his way, but just as importantly more suckers to cushion him below.

No $250K/year GV captain puts so much effort into Envoy on these forums.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

The problem is that both are tied to AA hiring. What happens when PBS kicks-in and the divisions are combined ?

A temporary surplus of pilots.

Expect the flow to slow to a trickle or even stop for awhile until AA right sizes staffing. It's another reason I wouldn't chase the stale flow-thru carrot at Envoy. In the past, they told new hires they'd be at AA in 5 years and some are still waiting after twice that long, with likely years to go.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

It will be years before the most senior "protected pilot" gets that chance and even if AA is hiring, it likely won't need to be more than 40/month, so that's 20 pilots/month at best. I must say, you're certainly going into overdrive on your sales pitches though.

You don't sell used cars on the side, do you. ?

Originally Posted by Skyvector

Don't waste your breath with eaglefly. You are correct, btw. But eaglefly just wants to spread doom and fear in every Eagle thread.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3

True, but we need people here. Lets spreed doom and gloom, eagle fly flew for us. Looks like he want to help PSA, PDT and other regionals.

Ohh well...


If someone need info, don't ask here. Go and send a PM to rickt, me or other envoy pilots.

Originally Posted by highflyer0685

Who cares? If you go to a regional now it's going to be about a decade until it's your turn to flow. You'll probably wind up leaving before that for a different major. AA should be an interesting pilot group a few years down the road when it's made up of all PSA, PDT, Envoy scum. AA will be able to put out a TA that lowers pay to $15/hr and it'll pass.

Originally Posted by billyho

Piedmont only has just over 300 pilots total. It took 6 months to get one third the way through the seniority list. Upgrade is about to drop to 2 years and that's not factoring in if or when we get (which Envoy calls) Envoy's ragged out 145's. The talk was AAG wants the first two on the property by Jan. 2016. Our training department is current recruiting 15 new instructors as we need them for the 145's and many of our instructors have decided to flow to mainline.

So it's hard to tell how long it will take to flow. Probably just about half (or those wanting to flow) of the seniority list might be at Mainline before the first 145's hit the property.

I don't think it will happen (just me I don't believe we see any 145's as a stand alone regional). We will either merge with Envoy or I think they will just fly the Dash's as they time out. With the new flow agreement they know now they will always be able to staff the Dash's. If we just keep flying the Dash 8 as they time out this might be the best option for everyone on the property because they are suppose to be all gone by 2019.

They are taking 3 or more pilots at time to mainline. They are using the flow and pref interviews. Apply and you might get a call. Even had a few FO's get hired with zero PIC time.

Our schedules and outstation bases which make it hard for commuting are our negatives. Plus there's bunch of people that feel flying a turbo prop is beneath them. Some have bashed our training department but the Dash 8 is probably one of the hardest regionals at this time to learn. Good attitude and effort you'll have no problems unless you're total tool box.

Plus is if you get in now you might find it as a fast upgrade and also a fast path to American. But who really knows! One mans trash is another mans treasure.