Took me too long. Since others will have their own flows soon, why start even more junior at Envoy ?

The only person it might benefit is a senior lifer like you.

 

Baloney. You're the one who is speculating. I just can't figure out your motive yet. Are you simply a dreamer or in management. Why don't you show us your PROOF, not your assumptions, but your proof !

It seems characters like you always seem to wander in every few years thinking they got it all figured out only to be dashed against the rocks.

 

No, just being realistic. Hey......if you're at Envoy and you believe in unicorns and rainbows, great ! But leading on others to come to Envoy on assumptions and false hope from executives that have stiffed you for their own interests time and again just because you believe it is bad advice IMO. I'm here to dispute that and if it upsets you, tough petunias. Envoy and Obamacare are identical schemes in that they both require suckers to join at the bottom to support those above whose futures are in the line. No suckers to replace those leaving for AA or elsewhere and Envoy folds right along with your flow-thru dreams.

It makes sense then that young junior dreamers like you and old nags like RJ need fresh gullible bodies. Any lateral move for them will almost certainly not pay off and they'll kick themselves in the long run from ditching their present regional where they're more senior which in the future will likely offer a flow-thru mechanism too.

 

You've got to be a management lackey. No one else sells this snake oil so desperately. You're practically begging pilots to come to the sinking ship Envoy. Did you help write the ads on this forum ?

 

Clearly, those junior at Envoy know they need to recruit furlough fodder below them to pad their flow and I must say, you guys are giving it your best.

As someone with 25 years at Eagle and who flowed, I think anyone who signs onto Envoy based on the present promises by them or you are stupid. Hey, a few will be, but most hopefully won't.

 

All I hear are crickets.. nobody is replying to eaglefly anymore!

This was a good thread, got to explore why the PDT flow is better, but that got answered on page 1!

 

Well, that's not entirely true. At least ONE person is "replying" to eaglefly. h

It was a thread started to lure pilots to Envoy by a senior Envoy pilot with skin in the game and that's all. He's been notorious is his self-serving misrepresentations in the past. All I'm saying is that if you're at regional X, don't throw your seniority away to come to regional E based on marginal flow-thru promises, especially from dubious characters with questionable motives.

 

Yeah, like if you're not questionable.

Look, I'm not saying that someone should leave their current regional to come to Envoy. You clearly have rather see others go to PSA than here where you worked for 20sowmthing years.

I'm sorry it didn't worked for you, but this is not 1999 or 2000. We are almost in 2015 and thinga are changing once for good. I'm not saying that someone should come here and wait for the flow. The flow it should be a plan Z. But our contract still good in many things compared with MESA, TSA, RAH and others.

How about you go to the major airlines forum where you should be, and stop playing with the kids? Can't you leave your past airline and move on? I started already my 5th year here and all the time you've been dooming and glooming about AE, Envoy, etc.

Go away man...let it go.

 

Eaglefly who??

 

PilotJ3 you've got an awfully optimistic outlook and I hope it works out for you but your numbers are questionable. When I was at Envoy I did a lot of number crunching. I was an early 11' hire and even with this increased flow my upgrade was ~2.5 years off when you take into account the shrinking fleet size. As for the flow I was calculating over 5 years optimistically.

Unless someone lives in Dallas I cannot make a rational argument for employment at Envoy. There are 11,000 apps at United, how many of those applicants only applied at United? My guess is not many. I think you have 12-13k unique apps total between the 3 mainlines. Once hiring is going full bore at all 3 + Southwest, FedEx, and UPS that resume stack is going to shrink quickly. A flow is a nice thing to have as a safety net, and I do believe Envoy's new flow will operate as advertised provided they're able to find new hires, however I don't think a flow should be high on the list of things to consider when seeking regional employment. Eaglefly is correct in saying that other regionals are working on flow deals with mainlines as well.

I would say let the recruitment department sell the airline, you should be focused on updating your app and getting out before your flow number ever comes close to getting called.