Who offers the best Flow.
12-28-2014 | 04:45 AM
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PilotJ3 you've got an awfully optimistic outlook and I hope it works out for you but your numbers are questionable. When I was at Envoy I did a lot of number crunching. I was an early 11' hire and even with this increased flow my upgrade was ~2.5 years off when you take into account the shrinking fleet size. As for the flow I was calculating over 5 years optimistically.
Unless someone lives in Dallas I cannot make a rational argument for employment at Envoy. There are 11,000 apps at United, how many of those applicants only applied at United? My guess is not many. I think you have 12-13k unique apps total between the 3 mainlines. Once hiring is going full bore at all 3 + Southwest, FedEx, and UPS that resume stack is going to shrink quickly. A flow is a nice thing to have as a safety net, and I do believe Envoy's new flow will operate as advertised provided they're able to find new hires, however I don't think a flow should be high on the list of things to consider when seeking regional employment. Eaglefly is correct in saying that other regionals are working on flow deals with mainlines as well.
I would say let the recruitment department sell the airline, you should be focused on updating your app and getting out before your flow number ever comes close to getting called.
Unless someone lives in Dallas I cannot make a rational argument for employment at Envoy. There are 11,000 apps at United, how many of those applicants only applied at United? My guess is not many. I think you have 12-13k unique apps total between the 3 mainlines. Once hiring is going full bore at all 3 + Southwest, FedEx, and UPS that resume stack is going to shrink quickly. A flow is a nice thing to have as a safety net, and I do believe Envoy's new flow will operate as advertised provided they're able to find new hires, however I don't think a flow should be high on the list of things to consider when seeking regional employment. Eaglefly is correct in saying that other regionals are working on flow deals with mainlines as well.
I would say let the recruitment department sell the airline, you should be focused on updating your app and getting out before your flow number ever comes close to getting called.
I can go wherever I want to go. Im even trying to go off the street at AA. I'm Sorry if I'm too optimistic for you.
You're an where a 2011 hire, I'm a 2010 hire. Maybe more than 100 people between us, that's about 1 year difference in upgrade and 6months difference in flow.
Also remember you don't have to be a Ca to flow to AA as a protected pilot.
12-28-2014 | 05:02 AM
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Yeah, like if you're not questionable.
Look, I'm not saying that someone should leave their current regional to come to Envoy. You clearly have rather see others go to PSA than here where you worked for 20sowmthing years.
I'm sorry it didn't worked for you, but this is not 1999 or 2000. We are almost in 2015 and thinga are changing once for good. I'm not saying that someone should come here and wait for the flow. The flow it should be a plan Z. But our contract still good in many things compared with MESA, TSA, RAH and others.
How about you go to the major airlines forum where you should be, and stop playing with the kids? Can't you leave your past airline and move on? I started already my 5th year here and all the time you've been dooming and glooming about AE, Envoy, etc.
Go away man...let it go.
Look, I'm not saying that someone should leave their current regional to come to Envoy. You clearly have rather see others go to PSA than here where you worked for 20sowmthing years.
I'm sorry it didn't worked for you, but this is not 1999 or 2000. We are almost in 2015 and thinga are changing once for good. I'm not saying that someone should come here and wait for the flow. The flow it should be a plan Z. But our contract still good in many things compared with MESA, TSA, RAH and others.
How about you go to the major airlines forum where you should be, and stop playing with the kids? Can't you leave your past airline and move on? I started already my 5th year here and all the time you've been dooming and glooming about AE, Envoy, etc.
Go away man...let it go.
That would as you say keep people like me off the "kids" regional partition and the kids off the major airline partition. But, that's not likely as these forums are intended to allow multiple points of view on various subjects, but I do realize that this makes it more difficult for some to further an agenda (usually involving personal gain) using biased claims.
12-28-2014 | 05:16 AM
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An interesting suggestion. Perhaps you can convince the administrator of the website to modify it so a member can only access either the major or regional forums, but not both ?
That would as you say keep people like me off the "kids" regional partition and the kids off the major airline partition. But, that's not likely as these forums are intended to allow multiple points of view on various subjects, but I do realize that this makes it more difficult for some to further an agenda (usually involving personal gain) using biased claims.
That would as you say keep people like me off the "kids" regional partition and the kids off the major airline partition. But, that's not likely as these forums are intended to allow multiple points of view on various subjects, but I do realize that this makes it more difficult for some to further an agenda (usually involving personal gain) using biased claims.
I dont go to AA Side and start talking how they are and will be replacing 737 and a319 flying with Cr900 and E175s and stuff like that.
I don't go posting my opinions in part of the industry I'm not and will not be considered part of. So...whatever man...
I don't have an agenda like you think Iam. I'm just a regular line pilot that would like his place to be better like it was one time. Sorry if you don't like my opinion and if you think is "balloni". I got done with you...
I though RJ was a troll but you guys go hand by hand.
Happy New Years and learn how to move on with yor life.
12-28-2014 | 05:21 AM
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PilotJ3 you've got an awfully optimistic outlook and I hope it works out for you but your numbers are questionable. When I was at Envoy I did a lot of number crunching. I was an early 11' hire and even with this increased flow my upgrade was ~2.5 years off when you take into account the shrinking fleet size. As for the flow I was calculating over 5 years optimistically.
Unless someone lives in Dallas I cannot make a rational argument for employment at Envoy. There are 11,000 apps at United, how many of those applicants only applied at United? My guess is not many. I think you have 12-13k unique apps total between the 3 mainlines. Once hiring is going full bore at all 3 + Southwest, FedEx, and UPS that resume stack is going to shrink quickly. A flow is a nice thing to have as a safety net, and I do believe Envoy's new flow will operate as advertised provided they're able to find new hires, however I don't think a flow should be high on the list of things to consider when seeking regional employment. Eaglefly is correct in saying that other regionals are working on flow deals with mainlines as well.
I would say let the recruitment department sell the airline, you should be focused on updating your app and getting out before your flow number ever comes close to getting called.
Unless someone lives in Dallas I cannot make a rational argument for employment at Envoy. There are 11,000 apps at United, how many of those applicants only applied at United? My guess is not many. I think you have 12-13k unique apps total between the 3 mainlines. Once hiring is going full bore at all 3 + Southwest, FedEx, and UPS that resume stack is going to shrink quickly. A flow is a nice thing to have as a safety net, and I do believe Envoy's new flow will operate as advertised provided they're able to find new hires, however I don't think a flow should be high on the list of things to consider when seeking regional employment. Eaglefly is correct in saying that other regionals are working on flow deals with mainlines as well.
I would say let the recruitment department sell the airline, you should be focused on updating your app and getting out before your flow number ever comes close to getting called.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best if things, but it should never get in the way if practical reality. For many at Envoy, it seems it has. Hopefully, those not there can better see the fields of cotton candy there because they aren't intoxicated by all the sugar fumes.
12-28-2014 | 05:28 AM
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Whatever dude,
I dont go to AA Side and start talking how they are and will be replacing 737 and a319 flying with Cr900 and E175s and stuff like that.
I don't go posting my opinions in part of the industry I'm not and will not be considered part of. So...whatever man...
I don't have an agenda like you think Iam. I'm just a regular line pilot that would like his place to be better like it was one time. Sorry if you don't like my opinion and if you think is "balloni". I got done with you...
I though RJ was a troll but you guys go hand by hand.
Happy New Years and learn how to move on with yor life.
I dont go to AA Side and start talking how they are and will be replacing 737 and a319 flying with Cr900 and E175s and stuff like that.
I don't go posting my opinions in part of the industry I'm not and will not be considered part of. So...whatever man...
I don't have an agenda like you think Iam. I'm just a regular line pilot that would like his place to be better like it was one time. Sorry if you don't like my opinion and if you think is "balloni". I got done with you...
I though RJ was a troll but you guys go hand by hand.
Happy New Years and learn how to move on with yor life.
This thread is about flow-thrus and especially about Envoys. As a past product of both, I think I have just as relevant and credible right to comment on it as you or anyone else. Obviously you find this upsetting and perhaps it's you that needs to as you put it "move on" ?
12-28-2014 | 08:02 AM
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Chill out bro and understand dat all kinds of homies be checkin out another dudes crib.
This thread is about flow-thrus and especially about Envoys. As a past product of both, I think I have just as relevant and credible right to comment on it as you or anyone else. Obviously you find this upsetting and perhaps it's you that needs to as you put it "move on" ?
This thread is about flow-thrus and especially about Envoys. As a past product of both, I think I have just as relevant and credible right to comment on it as you or anyone else. Obviously you find this upsetting and perhaps it's you that needs to as you put it "move on" ?
Past product...you're not a present product.
Past, old, obsolete...
12-28-2014 | 10:18 AM
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12-28-2014 | 07:35 PM
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The flow could of course get derailed but if that happens no one is going to be getting street hire slots either.
The big difference between now and 1999 is the age of mainline pilots.
If a new pilot is at all interested in AA I think it's the place to go.
At 360 per year a person will move up 1000 numbers in 3 years. You would be in upgrade territory looking at a job at any major with the ticket to AA in your back pocket. Also plenty of people lately getting straight in street hire from envoy to AA with no special connections or PIC. They are simply making the effort while many don't.
The big difference between now and 1999 is the age of mainline pilots.
If a new pilot is at all interested in AA I think it's the place to go.
At 360 per year a person will move up 1000 numbers in 3 years. You would be in upgrade territory looking at a job at any major with the ticket to AA in your back pocket. Also plenty of people lately getting straight in street hire from envoy to AA with no special connections or PIC. They are simply making the effort while many don't.
12-28-2014 | 08:09 PM
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The flow could of course get derailed but if that happens no one is going to be getting street hire slots either.
The big difference between now and 1999 is the age of mainline pilots.
If a new pilot is at all interested in AA I think it's the place to go.
At 360 per year a person will move up 1000 numbers in 3 years. You would be in upgrade territory looking at a job at any major with the ticket to AA in your back pocket. Also plenty of people lately getting straight in street hire from envoy to AA with no special connections or PIC. They are simply making the effort while many don't.
The big difference between now and 1999 is the age of mainline pilots.
If a new pilot is at all interested in AA I think it's the place to go.
At 360 per year a person will move up 1000 numbers in 3 years. You would be in upgrade territory looking at a job at any major with the ticket to AA in your back pocket. Also plenty of people lately getting straight in street hire from envoy to AA with no special connections or PIC. They are simply making the effort while many don't.
12-28-2014 | 08:30 PM
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From: Reverse Cowgirl
No one knows how many aircraft Envoy will have in a few years but if it does shrink that much it would mean massive amounts of people left for green pastures which would be fewer people in your way for the flow through.
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