Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX

You're delusional or at least misunderstood what I was saying... You still have no idea how good our contract is, what our TA actually did for this group (not at all like endeavor, I suggest you read their deal and then our CBA and LOA). You went to an airline that had been a drag on this industry for decades and you are crapping on airlines like PDT without knowing a thing about them. You think you do but by saying we did what Endeavor did, proved you don't. I guess with our cowardly actions of securing pay raises and jobs at American we will leave you all to it. Enjoy RAH.

Originally Posted by Bonanzer

Haha maybe. But lumping pdt and your new 12/4 pay scale with contracts at horizon awhiskey Skywest is just crazy. I'm not defending rah's cba. Im just defending our contract battle. You said earlier you were an loa no voter? If this loa and contract are so great why did you vote no. I think we found the delusional one lol.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr

Hold on a second, there, jack.

First of all, I don't know what in the hell your problem is with Republic pilots, but I've heard about enough trash-talking from pilots from other places under the cloak of anonymity thinking that they have even half of clue about the history of of Republic's pilot group.

Republic pilots have NEVER voted in a concessionary contract. NOT ONE, EVER.

We voted 85% AGAINST what industry analysts called an industry-leading contract and astounded and scared the crap out of the HQ crowd when we did it. We've held our heads high since then and will continue to do so, despite sophomoric, juvenile and idiotic comments like YOURS.

The Envoy guys talked real tough on this and other message boards about how the Republic pilots would cave on our TA vote, how we we're somehow "beneath (you)" if we did, and look who it was that voted in concessions to get shiny new jets....NOT REPUBLIC PILOTS.

Republic's pilots and their union have long been engaged in a hard-fought battle against one of the most anti-labor management teams since the Frank Lorenzo era. These people have written the book on tightening the screws on a pilot group in every facet of our operation and we have NOT GIVEN THEM AN INCH unless required by law, and WE NEVER WILL, UNLIKE certain other pilot groups.

The vast majority of the people on property at Republic came to this place when it was "the" place to be and many of those hired in the last three or so years have realized their mistake and are moving on. Fully half of our monthly pilot attrition are FOs fleeing the ship. Those who remain are committed to not give an inch until we get what it is we deserve.

Regardless, this pilots group finds itself in it's current position as the result of immoral management, an apathetic government, an antiquated depression-era law, a Federal Agency holding us hostage in order to increase their budget and influence, and a national union that cares more about collecting dues than rocking the boat during Democratic President's term, not because we voted to lower the bar, REGARDLESS of the reason. We are in this position DESPITE our best efforts, not as the result of them, unlike other pilot groups.

This pilot group is nowhere near the "useful idiots" that you presume who were sold a bill of goods and were "stupid enough" to come to Republic....and to be fair, those descriptions could very well be applied to many pilots that have recently gone to work at other airlines.

This air of superiority being demonstrated by some pilots from other groups is juvenile, misplaced, and incorrect....and while I apologize for what appears to be another Republic pilot for starting this little dust-up, I am NOT going to stand idly by and let some snot-nosed punk try to tough-talk a group of pilots with twice the intestinal fortitude and resolve than you will ever understand. I'd go so far as to call it hypocritical, considering a certain recent self-serving TA vote.

Watch what happens over the next few months with our contract negotiations. We are NOT going to be fed some line of BS and acquiesce to the management of the 4th most profitable airline in the world. No one is going to scare Republic pilots into voting in concessions and we will get what we deserve.

It's too bad we can't say that about all pilot groups.

Originally Posted by billyho

First off Jack you guys voted down a joke! It wasn't even CLOSE to an industry leading contract. Piedmont's 25 year old contract way more superior then that TA contract. Industry leading was thrown in there by Bedford.

The problem is Republic was formed and it launched the E-Jets. We had Piedmont people leave to fly the E-Jets knowing they'd make less money then flying a 37 seat prop. Knowing there insurance costs would more then triple.

I'm sure some had there reasons but they knew going into it what they were getting into. Those are the people that hurt the industry by going to crap hole airlines.

Now I understand your fight but I will tell you that Republic Pilots would've voted in our TA hands down. Better workrules, better insurance costs, flow thru. You would've been paid for you time. What you guys have now is a disgrace to all the other regionals that have fought hard for improvements. And the only reason was everyone was excited to fly a mainline jet.

I had one FO tell me he had to leave Piedmont for Republic because he was tired of telling people what kind of plane he was flying because it was embarrassing. I looked at him and told him, "what's more embarrassing the plane you are flying or what you're being paid to fly it?" Because there's no way in hell I'd fly a E-Jet for 20k a year and I'd be embarrassed telling anyone.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr

So by you own admission, you had absolutely NOTHING to do with your awesome 25(?)-year-old contract, yet you're claiming some moral high ground just because you decided to to go to work for PDT and stay there?

Wow. WHAT a contribution to the industry. You should be one proud person.

I and a couple thousand other RJET pilots will fight every minute we're here to make the place better...not only for us, but those who follow AND every other pilot in the business.

We believe that a rising tide lifts ALL ships.....You'll pardon us if we don't exactly thank you for your contribution to that end.

Originally Posted by What

Can't wait until your 175th post, should be epic!

Originally Posted by LAXSAAB

When exactly was RAH the place to be? I was an early 2008 hire and it sucked the entire time I was there. FO pay was pathetic, and the company routinely violated the contract. RAH current CBA undercut places like Comair, Eagle, ExpressJet, and many more 10 years ago. The only reason RAH grew so much is because of the very cheap labor cost. Yes captain pay was okay but FO pay was ridiculous.