Pilot Shortage (2015 Embry Riddle summit)
01-14-2015, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Brand X
The real problem is that regional guys want to turn an entry level job (regional pilot) into a career job (mainline pilot). The thing is that most regional pilots don't have the necessary experience to fly at the mainline and many regional pilots don't have the talent and/or the proper background to fly at the mainline.
The minor league/major league baseball analogy is a good one to use. If regional pilots are as good as most claim to be, how come they aren't at the majors?
The minor league/major league baseball analogy is a good one to use. If regional pilots are as good as most claim to be, how come they aren't at the majors?
The "talent?" Are you kidding me? What exactly constitutes "necessary experience?"
Most regional pilots are flying less advanced acft under far more grueling schedules with a fraction of the work rules of a mainline pilot......All that for maybe 50% of the pay.
The "regional" acft today are the mainline acft of yesterday DC9-10, fokker etc etc. Many regionals are flying larger acft than mainline did in the 70s/80s/90s.
The major/minor league reference absolutely is NOT a good one to use. You don't get to a major because you are a "good pilot."
01-14-2015, 10:55 AM
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Right. Mainline pilots are soooo much more talented. Like the talent it takes to land a 767 on a taxiway at ATL. Or run a brand new 737 off the end of the runway in Jamaica. Tool.
01-14-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by N927EV
Right. Mainline pilots are soooo much more talented. Like the talent it takes to land a 767 on a taxiway at ATL. Or run a brand new 737 off the end of the runway in Jamaica. Tool.
While isolated exceptions abound, the fact of the matter is the entry level major pilot is, on average, significantly more experienced than the entry level regional pilot. Anyone can, and does, make mistakes. Its not only easier, its way easier to get on with a regional than it is a major. That said, there are great pilots at both. But you're not seriously trying to imply there is zero difference *on average* are you?
01-14-2015, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Aside from the potential results of comparing major and regional accident/incident rates, which is probably a point you don't want to make anyway, what exactly do you hope to gain by throwing stones like that?
While isolated exceptions abound, the fact of the matter is the entry level major pilot is, on average, significantly more experienced than the entry level regional pilot. Anyone can, and does, make mistakes. Its not only easier, its way easier to get on with a regional than it is a major. That said, there are great pilots at both. But you're not seriously trying to imply there is zero difference *on average* are you?
While isolated exceptions abound, the fact of the matter is the entry level major pilot is, on average, significantly more experienced than the entry level regional pilot. Anyone can, and does, make mistakes. Its not only easier, its way easier to get on with a regional than it is a major. That said, there are great pilots at both. But you're not seriously trying to imply there is zero difference *on average* are you?
No. THe comment was in response to brandx. I agree, everyone makes mistakes. No matter how long you've been doing this. I was simply putting it out there because of the comment he made of regional pilots not being "talented" enough to fly at the majors.
01-14-2015, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by N927EV
No. THe comment was in response to brandx. I agree, everyone makes mistakes. No matter how long you've been doing this. I was simply putting it out there because of the comment he made of regional pilots not being "talented" enough to fly at the majors.
01-14-2015, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pagey
This is a troll post right?
The "talent?" Are you kidding me? What exactly constitutes "necessary experience?"
Most regional pilots are flying less advanced acft under far more grueling schedules with a fraction of the work rules of a mainline pilot......All that for maybe 50% of the pay.
The "regional" acft today are the mainline acft of yesterday DC9-10, fokker etc etc. Many regionals are flying larger acft than mainline did in the 70s/80s/90s.
The major/minor league reference absolutely is NOT a good one to use. You don't get to a major because you are a "good pilot."
The "talent?" Are you kidding me? What exactly constitutes "necessary experience?"
Most regional pilots are flying less advanced acft under far more grueling schedules with a fraction of the work rules of a mainline pilot......All that for maybe 50% of the pay.
The "regional" acft today are the mainline acft of yesterday DC9-10, fokker etc etc. Many regionals are flying larger acft than mainline did in the 70s/80s/90s.
The major/minor league reference absolutely is NOT a good one to use. You don't get to a major because you are a "good pilot."
This is how the system is supposed to work. You start out entry level working you tail off gaining experience. If you're good enough, you make it to the bigs.
Oh really? Guess that I'm just a nice guy then!
01-14-2015, 03:18 PM
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It's either get rid of the ATP rule or airlines should just train their own pilots, they could either make the trainee pay everything or partially by a loan which has to be paid back when training is completed over a certain time.
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