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Slick111 02-01-2015 05:46 AM

,....And tell us again how long RAH management has been in, (or should I say "stalling"), contract negotiations? Is it 8 years or does it currently stand at 9 years?

Rahlifer 02-01-2015 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Slick111 (Post 1816624)
,....And tell us again how long RAH management has been in, (or should I say "stalling"), contract negotiations? Is it 8 years or does it currently stand at 9 years?

8 years. But it will easily surpass 10 before any new TA comes out. They've essentially pulled out of "negotiations" again.

billyho 02-01-2015 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1816633)
8 years. But it will easily surpass 10 before any new TA comes out. They've essentially pulled out of "negotiations" again.

Have you guys started the "Fly Safe" program? I know it worked for ASA back in the day to get Management to the table.

ThreeStripe 02-01-2015 06:22 AM

Won't work at this place. They will make an example of the first few pilots that try it and the rest will stop.

Drofdeb 02-01-2015 07:35 AM

I have come to the conclusion that RAH is a sinking ship. Those who do not see it, cannot, because they would like to stay. They have kids & wives, have already upgraded, and or, are only several years from retirement.

I have been talking to several captains about upgrade times. The ones who are staying say 2-3 years (yeah right!!). The ones who are leaving for China or the majors, say anywhere from 5-10 years.

I know I'm going to jump after less than a year and a half, here, got a couple of corporate gigs thanks to my previous 135 experience (and my current 121 time). Things have changed a lot in the past year and folks just don't see it, either because they have a vested interest in RAH, or are too lazy to think.

And the contract......its a unicorn. By the time they sign that, it will be too late....it already is, as far as I and several of my fellow FOs are concerned.

Slick111 02-01-2015 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1816633)
8 years. But it will easily surpass 10 before any new TA comes out. They've essentially pulled out of "negotiations" again.

Which leads me to this question: Why is ALPA spending soooo much time, political capital, and money trying to fight Norwegian Air,....... but they're spending ZERO time, effort, and money trying to carve airlines out of the ridiculous and antiquated Railway Labor Act,.... which allows management to engage in these abusive and unconscionable stalling tactics?

Stalling until such time as a new contract benefits only management is acting in bad faith and is morally and ethically wrong.

May God bless. Yeah,.... whatever, Rev. Bedford. For a man who holds himself out as a high-minded Christian,...... he doesn't demonstrate his belief that the teachings of the bible apply to him nor does he seem to be too concerned about where he's going to spend eternity.

It's called "hypocrisy".

tom11011 02-01-2015 08:13 AM

Republic used to be the premier airline if you wanted to stay a First Officer for your regional career but today they are second with Endeavor giving out $20,000 each year in retention bonuses to First Officers.

It's a good deal if you like Endeavors bases and do not care about upgrade, I would jump at it.

CFIGUY22 02-01-2015 10:40 AM

Is RAH really that bad?
 
the railway labor act keeps unions in business that's why they don't fight it...without it we wouldn't really need unions you could say

Slick111 02-01-2015 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by CFIGUY22 (Post 1816807)
the railway labor act keeps unions in business that's why they don't fight it...without it we wouldn't really need unions you could say

Care to explain your logic?

Plenty of labor unions exist in the U.S., and they don't need any federal act to stay in existence. Moreover, there are (and have been) plenty of airline pilot groups who are (and were) non-union,....... (and they were all subject to the RLA).

LAXSAAB 02-01-2015 11:48 AM



Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1816633)
8 years. But it will easily surpass 10 before any new TA comes out. They've essentially pulled out of "negotiations" again.

Have you guys started the "Fly Safe" program? I know it worked for ASA back in the day to get Management to the table.
lol that's hard to do when 270 pilots showed up at the company party last week. The IBT has always been scared of getting sued for illegal work action.


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