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Old 02-17-2015 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RB211
Go get an entry level job outside of aviation if you truly want a good perspective. Mesa has been really good to me, best job I ever had really. I think most regional pilots would come crawling back to their regional job on their elbows and knees if they experienced the crap waiting for them on the outside. I say most because most pilots aren't qualified for something else.
Anyhow, mesa would hire you, at least you'd get line guarantee, and a great pilot group to fly with. If there's a regional where you could live at base, that should be your first choice.
I agree with a lot of this. I had a great paying full-time non-aviation job 70k+ that sucked the life out of me. On call all the time, carpet dancing like Fred Astaire for all sorts of bs, no thanks. I love what I do and where I work now. If more people had an outside perspective before joining a regional, they might appreciate what we have.
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Old 02-17-2015 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
I don't really pay attention to who the "best" regionals are anymore so I can't comment on whether or not PDT is a good place overall. I will say through experience that flow agreements are not worth the paper they're printed on. For example look at the situation at AA this year, furloughees are coming back so the flow is essentially stopped for the year. Recalls coupled with the removal of the domestic / international fence are going to limit the amount of pilots AA needs to hire in the short term.

The way I see it flow deals are only good for guys who bust multiple rides or get in disciplinary issues and are not hireable anywhere but their flow destination.
Actually at PDT they can't stop the Flow for recalls. We will be brought in right along with them. So this has no barring on our flow. But the best part of the flow is it has allowed our upgrade to continue to drop. Thus allowing pilots to upgrade, get PIC time and go to the airline of there choice.

I'm not saying that PDT is the place to come too. But it not the place everyone is avoiding now either.
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Old 02-17-2015 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
The way I see it flow deals are only good for guys who bust multiple rides or get in disciplinary issues and are not hireable anywhere but their flow destination.
Totally not true. I've seen a few people with spotless records not get hired at a major. You are never guaranteed a job with the big 3.
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Old 02-17-2015 | 07:42 PM
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Does republic still have a training contract?

Are they getting many people in their classes?

Is it a good or bad place now?
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Old 02-17-2015 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Actually at PDT they can't stop the Flow for recalls. We will be brought in right along with them. So this has no barring on our flow. But the best part of the flow is it has allowed our upgrade to continue to drop. Thus allowing pilots to upgrade, get PIC time and go to the airline of there choice.

I'm not saying that PDT is the place to come too. But it not the place everyone is avoiding now either.
While only 3 guys are moving up to AA each month, the seniority movement right now is at about 7 upgrades per month on average, and this is before the jets start arriving and we have more left seats to fill.
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Old 02-17-2015 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ComAirColonel
Does republic still have a training contract?

Are they getting many people in their classes?

Is it a good or bad place now?

reading is fundamental
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Old 02-18-2015 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by air101
reading is fundamental


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Old 02-19-2015 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gold
Someone hired at Piedmont now will easily upgrade to the E145 in two years and flow to American in five.
When I interviewed w/ Eagle in 1999, SF3 & ATR upgrade was <24 months and they were advertising 5 yrs to AA. At the time AA was hiring 80/ month, and Eagle was hiring 40. All the other major and regionals were hiring full bore as well. By the time I finished IOE in early 2000 I was already starting to figure out that their math didn't work, and it would take longer. That was before 9/11 and the Lost Decade.

AA isn't hiring that much, the regionals aren't hiring that much, and it's pie in the sky. Recruiters and Crew Schedulers will tell you anything to fill their seats. Never forget that.

Sure, maybe there won't be another catastrophic event, economic downturn, or any of the other 100 things that affect airline profits and hiring. But maybe there will. Hope for the best, but PLAN FOR THE WORST. Go to the company that provides you with the best QOL and acceptable pay. Only you can know who that is for you. If that includes a flow through, then that should be your plan C or D. Don't let it be your plan A or B. Flow Through is a marketing tool to attract and keep regional pilots regional, not staff majors.

Good Luck with your decision.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 04:24 AM
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I heat your pain, have couple
Of friends that had to quit RAH for similar reasons, just giving my two cents, try Air Wisconsin, 95% of the pilots love working here, and for the most part leaving in base changes your whole life. There is a great group of guys here and the best part is our insurance... So far i always try to calculate my pay for every month, but for some reason it is always more, the contract is pretty good, ohhhhh and my wife is pregnant and no lie all I have paid so far is 15 dollars.... I'm so happy here, I really hope ZW doesn't go any where, it's a good regional with a good group of guys, and a descent contract.
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Old 02-19-2015 | 06:24 AM
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I heat your pain, have couple
Of friends that had to quit RAH for similar reasons, just giving my two cents, try Air Wisconsin, 95% of the pilots love working here, and for the most part leaving in base changes your whole life. There is a great group of guys here and the best part is our insurance... So far i always try to calculate my pay for every month, but for some reason it is always more, the contract is pretty good, ohhhhh and my wife is pregnant and no lie all I have paid so far is 15 dollars.... I'm so happy here, I really hope ZW doesn't go any where, it's a good regional with a good group of guys, and a descent contract.
Tough to read this.
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