Dear PSAJOBS
05-18-2015 | 06:39 PM
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05-18-2015 | 07:22 PM
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05-18-2015 | 07:23 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe PSAJOBS was referring to a previous comment where a post indicated that PSA would fail a pilot candidate but allow said candidate to apply as an instructor. In this instance, I believe a candidate that had issues completing a visual approach to landing but understood systems, flows, and the learning process could instruct with PSA. This isn't that ridiculous of a statement - many instructors at many training facilities have never flown the aircraft, or AN aircraft for that matter. Numerous prior flight engineers, the mechanically inclined, et al. could very well be some of the finest instructors in a training department. My previous type rating course was taught by an instructor with zero time in business jets of any size but was of the finest instructors I've ever had. So while I would agree this statement would be ridiculous if in reference to line pilots, I believe it has been taken out of context. The Asiana/SFO comment does not apply to the context of the original quote - PSAJOBS is merely stating a "for example" of someone that may not be able to do, so they teach. That is not uncommon. Carry on.
05-18-2015 | 08:40 PM
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LOL LOL LOL LOL
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I can't.....I can't even take it anymore. I'm done.
Any and all of you considering PSA: Please go there. Don't hesitate. Go there now. In 12 to 18 months we will all pop the courvoisier, revisit all these old posts and have a good ole' fashioned "I told you so" party.
Of course, the usual suspects will have disappeared like farts in the wind: CLT Guy, Joliet, Pagey, PSAJOBS, Economy Class, and the rest of the gang.
Oh, and Tom11011: I'm not sure if you think you are still fooling anybody or not...but it's no secret to anybody that you are part of the PSA Cheerleader pajama party. Sorry if you thought you were flying under the radar this whole entire time.
GIFSoupI can't.....I can't even take it anymore. I'm done.
Any and all of you considering PSA: Please go there. Don't hesitate. Go there now. In 12 to 18 months we will all pop the courvoisier, revisit all these old posts and have a good ole' fashioned "I told you so" party.
Of course, the usual suspects will have disappeared like farts in the wind: CLT Guy, Joliet, Pagey, PSAJOBS, Economy Class, and the rest of the gang.
Oh, and Tom11011: I'm not sure if you think you are still fooling anybody or not...but it's no secret to anybody that you are part of the PSA Cheerleader pajama party. Sorry if you thought you were flying under the radar this whole entire time.
I don't know what it is you want? Are you still mad because I refuted your "displacement" argument? FYI: Putting CORRECT information out there when someone is blatantly posting lies(you) is not cheerleading.
Anyway, I didn't feel the need to post here because the information was already factual. marine and dayton aren't lying....Although the upgrade failure statistics I believe are incorrect.
PSA has issues, serious ones, but no more issues than any other regional.
If mgmt were as good at running an airline as they are at figuring out ways to screw pilots out of money, circumvent the contract, and re-direct blame for those issues, we'd really have something going here.
05-18-2015 | 09:21 PM
#46
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Dear PSAJOBS,
In order to assist you in your recruiting efforts I have highlighted some major issues facing current and future PSA pilots in which your clarification may ultimately help the decision making process for qualified professional pilots looking for employment.
Pay Discrepancy Reports:
For all of you unfamiliar with PSA payroll, this is used to bring attention to the fact that you have not been paid properly (paid LESS than you are owed). If you come to PSA, be prepared to spend significant time auditing your paycheck because the company will consistently pay you less than what you are rightfully owed. Any pilot who has been here for some time has filled out countless discrepancy reports. So please explain to me why a company that has been around for a few decades cannot properly pay its pilots? This isn't a once or twice per year type of thing, this issue happens on a regular basis. The best part is, once you catch a mistake and file the report the company will usually acknowledge that they shorted your pay and agree to correct it, however when you check back a few days later you will notice nothing has been corrected. So you get the enjoyment of filing another report for the same issue. If this sounds like a fun way to spend your days off, come to PSA. For those of you who think a quick glance at a paycheck is not a big deal, the payroll system is such a disaster it does not allow for a quick review. You will need to cross check 4 different sources that are available at completely different times of the month in order to ensure you were paid correctly. The paycheck does not display the number of hours you are being paid for, it's simply a dollar amount. I have helped several new hire pilots check their pay and most of them were missing hundreds of dollars in per diem, and they had only been flying the line for a couple of months. How much of your personal time are you willing to dedicate to payroll accounting?
Training:
I've heard from multiple sources the Captain upgrade fail rate is now at 50%. A quick upgrade is a great thing to chase after, however explaining in an interview why you busted a 121 upgrade ride would be unfortunate. I have also heard multiple rumors that some new hire pilots who wash out of training are being offered jobs as ground instructors. Do you want to come here and put your training record on the line?
SSP:
If you get hired at PSA right now you may have a 20 year wait until you will interview at AA. We are currently in talks to increase our preferential interview numbers with management. However, as the LOA was written, the company has complete discretion on whether the number is increased at all. We currently have rights to 48 slots per year assuming AA is hiring every month of the year. Let's say they revise the SSP and take 100 a year (I highly doubt they will). If you are hired as pilot 1200 on our list you may have 11 years to wait (assuming the top 100 have bypassed). Any new hire will presently have +1000 pilots on property with rights to AA before them. If you want to fly for AA do you think you could make it there faster by going to another regional?
These issues should be important to pilots considering employment at any regional airline, so I ask PSAJOBS to address these concerns in order to provide a clear picture of the current environment at PSA.
In order to assist you in your recruiting efforts I have highlighted some major issues facing current and future PSA pilots in which your clarification may ultimately help the decision making process for qualified professional pilots looking for employment.
Pay Discrepancy Reports:
For all of you unfamiliar with PSA payroll, this is used to bring attention to the fact that you have not been paid properly (paid LESS than you are owed). If you come to PSA, be prepared to spend significant time auditing your paycheck because the company will consistently pay you less than what you are rightfully owed. Any pilot who has been here for some time has filled out countless discrepancy reports. So please explain to me why a company that has been around for a few decades cannot properly pay its pilots? This isn't a once or twice per year type of thing, this issue happens on a regular basis. The best part is, once you catch a mistake and file the report the company will usually acknowledge that they shorted your pay and agree to correct it, however when you check back a few days later you will notice nothing has been corrected. So you get the enjoyment of filing another report for the same issue. If this sounds like a fun way to spend your days off, come to PSA. For those of you who think a quick glance at a paycheck is not a big deal, the payroll system is such a disaster it does not allow for a quick review. You will need to cross check 4 different sources that are available at completely different times of the month in order to ensure you were paid correctly. The paycheck does not display the number of hours you are being paid for, it's simply a dollar amount. I have helped several new hire pilots check their pay and most of them were missing hundreds of dollars in per diem, and they had only been flying the line for a couple of months. How much of your personal time are you willing to dedicate to payroll accounting?
Training:
I've heard from multiple sources the Captain upgrade fail rate is now at 50%. A quick upgrade is a great thing to chase after, however explaining in an interview why you busted a 121 upgrade ride would be unfortunate. I have also heard multiple rumors that some new hire pilots who wash out of training are being offered jobs as ground instructors. Do you want to come here and put your training record on the line?
SSP:
If you get hired at PSA right now you may have a 20 year wait until you will interview at AA. We are currently in talks to increase our preferential interview numbers with management. However, as the LOA was written, the company has complete discretion on whether the number is increased at all. We currently have rights to 48 slots per year assuming AA is hiring every month of the year. Let's say they revise the SSP and take 100 a year (I highly doubt they will). If you are hired as pilot 1200 on our list you may have 11 years to wait (assuming the top 100 have bypassed). Any new hire will presently have +1000 pilots on property with rights to AA before them. If you want to fly for AA do you think you could make it there faster by going to another regional?
These issues should be important to pilots considering employment at any regional airline, so I ask PSAJOBS to address these concerns in order to provide a clear picture of the current environment at PSA.
Upgrade is about 50% fail rate, thats a FACT
SAP!? Anyone else sap this month it was a freaking joke! each trade took 8 hours only to get denied!
To any new hire who is considering psa, THIS AIRINE SUCKS!
wheres the sheriff?? looks like he deleted his account?
05-18-2015 | 09:53 PM
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Refuted what? Breaking news: You proved your ignorance even further by quoting your vacancy bid section and thinking it's the same thing as a displacement. You think the two work exactly the same? You think the rules for both are the same?
You would, because you are clueless. Don't worry, you will learn soon enough how it all works. People who have been through displacements at other airlines have tried over and over to get through to you but you are just clueless. That is the PSA motto.
Oh, and you think reduction in flying is something distant from PSA? Ha! You are hopeless, but here we go again: Just last year PSA was reducing block hours. Back then PSA was small enough that it didn't cause any displacements...but a similar reduction in block hours today would be a different story. Learn from history. Ask pilots who were at TSA and Gojets between 2005-2008 time frame how it works. Ask them how many Captains got bumped back to the Right Seat during that time frame...and they weren't upgrading FO's out of seniority order the way PSA is doing....you have a storm brewing and are just too blind/ignorant to notice. Hopefully prospective newhires will listen to those of us who have been in this industry for over a decade and not make the mistake you did.
You would, because you are clueless. Don't worry, you will learn soon enough how it all works. People who have been through displacements at other airlines have tried over and over to get through to you but you are just clueless. That is the PSA motto.
Oh, and you think reduction in flying is something distant from PSA? Ha! You are hopeless, but here we go again: Just last year PSA was reducing block hours. Back then PSA was small enough that it didn't cause any displacements...but a similar reduction in block hours today would be a different story. Learn from history. Ask pilots who were at TSA and Gojets between 2005-2008 time frame how it works. Ask them how many Captains got bumped back to the Right Seat during that time frame...and they weren't upgrading FO's out of seniority order the way PSA is doing....you have a storm brewing and are just too blind/ignorant to notice. Hopefully prospective newhires will listen to those of us who have been in this industry for over a decade and not make the mistake you did.
05-18-2015 | 10:07 PM
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Refuted what? Breaking news: You proved your ignorance even further by quoting your vacancy bid section and thinking it's the same thing as a displacement. You think the two work exactly the same? You think the rules for both are the same?
You would, because you are clueless. Don't worry, you will learn soon enough how it all works. People who have been through displacements at other airlines have tried over and over to get through to you but you are just clueless. That is the PSA motto.
Oh, and you think reduction in flying is something distant from PSA? Ha! You are hopeless, but here we go again: Just last year PSA was reducing block hours. Back then PSA was small enough that it didn't cause any displacements...but a similar reduction in block hours today would be a different story. Learn from history. Ask pilots who were at TSA and Gojets between 2005-2008 time frame how it works. Ask them how many Captains got bumped back to the Right Seat during that time frame...and they weren't upgrading FO's out of seniority order the way PSA is doing....you have a storm brewing and are just too blind/ignorant to notice. Hopefully prospective newhires will listen to those of us who have been in this industry for over a decade and not make the mistake you did.
You would, because you are clueless. Don't worry, you will learn soon enough how it all works. People who have been through displacements at other airlines have tried over and over to get through to you but you are just clueless. That is the PSA motto.
Oh, and you think reduction in flying is something distant from PSA? Ha! You are hopeless, but here we go again: Just last year PSA was reducing block hours. Back then PSA was small enough that it didn't cause any displacements...but a similar reduction in block hours today would be a different story. Learn from history. Ask pilots who were at TSA and Gojets between 2005-2008 time frame how it works. Ask them how many Captains got bumped back to the Right Seat during that time frame...and they weren't upgrading FO's out of seniority order the way PSA is doing....you have a storm brewing and are just too blind/ignorant to notice. Hopefully prospective newhires will listen to those of us who have been in this industry for over a decade and not make the mistake you did.
I specifically quoted contract sections that dealt with elimination of positions with transfers of flying away from a base.......Displacements. Just because the word "vacancy" is there doesn't mean it is referring to vacancy bids. I posted nothing about vacancy bids.
Read it again, try to pull from your entire decade of experience, because apparently that's a lot.
You are so blinded by your hate for PSA that you insult me personally even when I make a post about negative things at PSA.
05-18-2015 | 10:27 PM
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For a profession that should be full of adults, there sure are a lot of children on both sides of this argument. All I gather from this is it sucks to be a regional pilot whether you work for PSA, Envoy or any other regional. No surprise there. God forbid either side just show up and do their job and fly and keep their passengers safe rather than have a small dick contest online. I remember when I was a CFI and every one told me about how awesome it was to be a regional pilot... O wait no one told me that, they told me they were over worked and underpaid. PSA sucks, Envoy sucks, Republic sucks, and so on. Every ones situation is different from the next. Some people will benefit from going to PSA some will benefit from other career choices. Do what benefits you and not the next guy when you join a regional. We're all different and can't please every one. We're all underpaid and over worked. If you didn't know that coming in, I feel bad for you. For most people this is a stepping stone and the industry is build around that concept. Stop *****ing about who screwed who and who is a ****ty regional. Put on your uniform shave your face and show up and do the best you can or leave.
05-19-2015 | 03:24 AM
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For a profession that should be full of adults, there sure are a lot of children on both sides of this argument. All I gather from this is it sucks to be a regional pilot whether you work for PSA, Envoy or any other regional. No surprise there. God forbid either side just show up and do their job and fly and keep their passengers safe rather than have a small dick contest online. I remember when I was a CFI and every one told me about how awesome it was to be a regional pilot... O wait no one told me that, they told me they were over worked and underpaid. PSA sucks, Envoy sucks, Republic sucks, and so on. Every ones situation is different from the next. Some people will benefit from going to PSA some will benefit from other career choices. Do what benefits you and not the next guy when you join a regional. We're all different and can't please every one. We're all underpaid and over worked. If you didn't know that coming in, I feel bad for you. For most people this is a stepping stone and the industry is build around that concept. Stop *****ing about who screwed who and who is a ****ty regional. Put on your uniform shave your face and show up and do the best you can or leave.
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