Well I can certainly understand their frustration, I'm just surprised more of it isn't directed towards AAG. Why do people think they have 3-4(?) wholly-owned companies? To use them against each other. To work at one of these companies and not expect this kind of thing to happen is, well, naive. But to play right into AAG's hands and start throwing rocks at each other when it happens is just ludicrous IMHO.

 

You must be unfamiliar with the history of American Eagle aka envoy.

 

PSAJOBS is awfully quiet. Nothing further to add about the payroll issues, recent upgrade pass rate and decade long SSP wait?

What about 7 hours for "real time" SAP trades to process?

Also if you are excited to come here and get off of reserve quickly think again. Due to the growth we have check airmen constantly doing IOE. If you get a trip that pairs you up with a check airman guess what happens? You get displaced. Which allows the company to assign long call reserve or more than likely assign some inefficient scraps to you. You will be used as a reserve pilot. If you are removed from your 20 hour 4 day and end up flying 8 hours, will this slow your progress as far as getting 1000 hours 121 for the upgrade?

This is a constant complaint I hear from the new hires.

 

Are you at least pay protected?

 

I am very familiar with it and have friends that are long time employees of Envoy. Anyone that does not agree with the "world is against us" metality is labeled uninformed or misguided.

 

 

Yes you are. You will be pay protected and in theory any assignment they give you is SUPPOSED to remain within the original start and end time. Within that foot print you will essentially be used as a reserve pilot. Hopefully you like deadheading and constant schedule modifications. I bring this up so pilots can understand it may not be so easy to get 90 hours of flight time per month.

 

He is too busy accepting resignations and then running to the little boys room to see if his "lil guy" got any bigger as a result.

 

So then you know that the implication that envoy has never been a part of a whipsaw before is inaccurate.

 

First, I agree that the 16 year contract insulated American Eagle (Envoy) from the Regional market for too much for too long. Too many of our pilots as a result became disconnected to the realities around them which in turn led to the absolute nonsense we saw in 2014 when 70% of Envoy pilots rejected a perfectly good contract under the premise of "Nobody else can staff". PSA didn't make Envoy vote NO to that contract and in so far as that goes Envoy has nobody to blame but themselves.

But prior to that 16 year contract the whipsaw game was alive and well at AA with all the various Eagles. Yes, we were a collection of various wholly owned companies who flew under the "American Eagle" brand prior to 1997, just like today. Except back then there were many more than 3. All the Eagles back then were whipsawed against one another with extreme prejudice. Things got ugly...and I don't mean "acting like children on the internet" ugly. I'm talking about actual fights in crew rooms between pilot groups and more.

Then in 1997 we were all merged as American Eagle and lived under a 16 year contract. That contract provided stability in what is a very unstable industry. Most importantly it protected us from the worse era in aviation history: 9/11 and the fallout of the next decade.