Engine Failure
01-27-2007, 04:31 PM
#31
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[QUOTE=ToiletDuck;108814]
I agree with not glossing over mistakes which may be educational to others.
In the case of pinnacle, experienced folks need to vigorously condemn the unprofessional actions of the crew so that less experienced people get the message as loudly and clearly as possible.
However... your original post was an attempt to be humorous or sarcastic at the expense of the deceased. That is not necessary and is in poor taste.
Originally Posted by iahflyr
Wow! That was disturbing. Thank you for posting the link. I believe in studying the mistakes of the past to prevent them from reoccuring in the future. I appreciate the info.[/QOUTE]
As do I. However apparently if you bring up a past crash you are considered a callous individual who is "dissing" the dead. If you make a mistake you make a mistake. If there is a crash there is a crash. It's all fair game to talk about. Which wasn't the intention of my initial post. He asked about an RJ engine out and that was the only one I knew of. The whining and complaining and fake nobility in responses to people here who do nothing but see negative in all they see and read is sickening. I was given an "infraction" for "Inappropriate language". Considering the fact that I mentioned no names, wrote no curse words, nor implied anything with my statement and yet some people managed to see negativity and then blow things completely out of proportion the way they did is ridiculous.... Grow up guys. You wonder why some of the most respected people that were on this forum have left and there's a perfect example of why. I've talked with vegabond as well as others and they are all sick and tired of feeling like they are walking on eggshells around you people. It's time to stop complaining about everything just a little.
So someone show me where I was inappropriate in the least and then explain why? Then we can go digging up some dirty laundry on the same exact people stating here. Anyone remember the whole Cory Lidel talk? What about the numerous personal attacks you make on each other? Perfect example here. True I've done it once and I apologized once I gathered my thoughts which is more than I can say for those here. There are many great people here but a bunch of babies as well.
As do I. However apparently if you bring up a past crash you are considered a callous individual who is "dissing" the dead. If you make a mistake you make a mistake. If there is a crash there is a crash. It's all fair game to talk about. Which wasn't the intention of my initial post. He asked about an RJ engine out and that was the only one I knew of. The whining and complaining and fake nobility in responses to people here who do nothing but see negative in all they see and read is sickening. I was given an "infraction" for "Inappropriate language". Considering the fact that I mentioned no names, wrote no curse words, nor implied anything with my statement and yet some people managed to see negativity and then blow things completely out of proportion the way they did is ridiculous.... Grow up guys. You wonder why some of the most respected people that were on this forum have left and there's a perfect example of why. I've talked with vegabond as well as others and they are all sick and tired of feeling like they are walking on eggshells around you people. It's time to stop complaining about everything just a little.
So someone show me where I was inappropriate in the least and then explain why? Then we can go digging up some dirty laundry on the same exact people stating here. Anyone remember the whole Cory Lidel talk? What about the numerous personal attacks you make on each other? Perfect example here. True I've done it once and I apologized once I gathered my thoughts which is more than I can say for those here. There are many great people here but a bunch of babies as well.
In the case of pinnacle, experienced folks need to vigorously condemn the unprofessional actions of the crew so that less experienced people get the message as loudly and clearly as possible.
However... your original post was an attempt to be humorous or sarcastic at the expense of the deceased. That is not necessary and is in poor taste.
01-27-2007, 06:01 PM
#32
Che Guevara
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[QUOTE=rickair7777;108870]
No it most certainly 100% was not. That's the point. Somehow in some twisted way through the negativity of those here was made out to be that. I simply thought he asked about an RJ that had an engine out. That was the only one I knew of. As I said I remember because it was an FO that went to Gulfstream because I was asking people about gulfstream(i was debating going there) when it happened. Not to mention that the guy was also a TSTC student and I had met him a couple times before, which is probably more than any of you. You can only take words for face value, for what they say. To do anything else is wrong doing on the readers part. Not the writers.
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
However... your original post was an attempt to be humorous or sarcastic at the expense of the deceased. That is not necessary and is in poor taste.
01-27-2007, 06:34 PM
#33
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Guys, before you put roasted duck on tonights menu. Remember that this is the guy who was hard headed enough to say that we were all idiots for buying well made flight kits and luggage. We should all buy backpacks, they are more economical, who cares how you look...or some sh*t like that.
In reality, TD I'm not trying to give you a hard time here... I'm trying to help you understand. You made a dumb post, straight up. I've done it, the people reading this post have done it...but you are now standing by your dumb post and it's not making you look too smart. Apparently it was bad enough to be deleted by a moderator, because it's not there anymore. It would be my recommendation to admit defeat and move on. After you do that feel free to start a thread somewhere on "What not to do in an airplane" it you are in the mood for preaching about safety.
The topic of this thread was a mesa crj engine apparently blew up somewhere around Denver, the pilots did a great job, and the plane landed safely. Lets stick to that.....
In reality, TD I'm not trying to give you a hard time here... I'm trying to help you understand. You made a dumb post, straight up. I've done it, the people reading this post have done it...but you are now standing by your dumb post and it's not making you look too smart. Apparently it was bad enough to be deleted by a moderator, because it's not there anymore. It would be my recommendation to admit defeat and move on. After you do that feel free to start a thread somewhere on "What not to do in an airplane" it you are in the mood for preaching about safety.
The topic of this thread was a mesa crj engine apparently blew up somewhere around Denver, the pilots did a great job, and the plane landed safely. Lets stick to that.....
01-28-2007, 02:16 AM
#34
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Wow, it's not often you hear stuff like this especially involving CRJs. This kind of incident should only be happening to aircraft made in the 70s not CRJs, really strange...... This is certainly not good as far as safety image for mesa.
01-28-2007, 06:35 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They used to be (mesa helped bail AW out of bankruptcy in the mid-90's). Now that AWA acquired USA, there are numerous regionals under the USA banner, including mesa.
01-28-2007, 09:11 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Quagmire
Guys, before you put roasted duck on tonights menu. Remember that this is the guy who was hard headed enough to say that we were all idiots for buying well made flight kits and luggage. We should all buy backpacks, they are more economical, who cares how you look...or some sh*t like that.
It was more of a post about making good financial decisions in which the original poster agreed FYI. But we all know some people just want something shiny. The backpack was just there to make a point about finances. There's that negativity I was talking about again. Sometimes they come off and "dumb" because like the post you are refering too they are taken out of context. The thread evolved into financial decisions. People complain about why they are really in debt ect. I'm not and we talked about how smalled decisions made (like spending 2% of FO income on a bag) aren't wise. Apparently you didn't read too close. If I make an "errorous" post I'm the first to apologize and I can point those out too. If I do something wrong or say something wrong or something doesn't come out right I'm man enough to say it was my fault.
Last edited by ToiletDuck; 01-28-2007 at 09:19 AM.
01-28-2007, 09:24 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Engines fail from time to time (just ask a Beechjet pilot)...I don't think this is representative of Mesa or anybody else.
01-28-2007, 09:29 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
There you go again take another look at the REAL posts that had nothing to do with it....... There's that negativity I was talking about again. Sometimes they come off and "dumb" because like the post you are refering too they are taken out of context. The thread evolved into financial decisions........
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Ontop of that it could have been somewhat sarcasm. But who woulda thought? Point is you're an idiot if you spend $200-$300 on a carry-on. I've traveled the world and still use the same bags. Two of which would qualify as good purchases and neither of which was over $30. However some people jsut have to feel good about themselves and buy something expensive.
01-28-2007, 09:37 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by ryane946
Beechjet-400's are pieces of crap. Some stupid engineer (or maybe some business man incharge of the project) did not want to heat the fuel lines. Water freezes in the fuel line when the BE-400 gets to altitude, then BOOM, engine out! Now everyone who operates a BE-400 needs to pay an extra 6 cents a gallon for Prist. And trust me that adds up. Probably a lot more than the cost to heat the fuel lines. And definately if you ever forget to add prist to an aircraft, an engine out is a lot more costly than a few hundred dollars to heat the fuel lines. Oh well! Learn from the past so you don't repeat these mistakes in the future!!
Your amateur business analysis of the aviation industry is much more accurate than your amateur analysis of aircraft design...and that's not saying much.
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