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08-16-2015 | 12:50 PM
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The words "regional", "commuter", "feeder".
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
There was a good No / stand up for the industry movement starting until PSA shut that down with one simple vote.
08-16-2015 | 12:54 PM
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There's no point in paying us that much, at that point might as well take all the flying back in house. Who knows if that will happen. The lack of pilots may help. As far as being sheep, they're sheep because not many are willing to play chicken with a job that took them all that time and money to attain. There are so many other pilot groups that once someone turns down concessions, others will swoop right in to take that flying. Like I said, not having enough pilots might help change the tide.
08-16-2015 | 01:01 PM
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Alpa is meaningless at this level. You have to be able to see that otherwise there is no point in even talking about it.
08-16-2015 | 01:01 PM
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Sigh.......have you learned NOTHING as of late? ALL you had to type was that you are "offended" by such terminology.
That's a good one. Any thoughts on LCC/ULCC/ACMI/freight?
In the days of yore, it was an "apprenticeship" if you will. "gotta pay your dues if you wanna make it to the big leagues".
And don't EVER FORGET, ALPA national under the leadership of lisping Moak the Joke DIDNT feel that regional pilots deserved to be compensated MORE and that they SHOULD take pay concessions.
That's a good one. Any thoughts on LCC/ULCC/ACMI/freight?
In the days of yore, it was an "apprenticeship" if you will. "gotta pay your dues if you wanna make it to the big leagues".
And don't EVER FORGET, ALPA national under the leadership of lisping Moak the Joke DIDNT feel that regional pilots deserved to be compensated MORE and that they SHOULD take pay concessions.
On the contrary, John, I spent 13 years "paying dues". Then I realized it was time for me to get paid and quit 9 months after 9/11. Now my life, I'm so lucky to be able to say, is the polar opposite of how it was then.
You did, however, display some wisdom in your reply. You sgave the exact reason pay and treatment are the way they are;
ALPA.
Their tenure needs to be over. Just like the bankrupt business model that is the "regional" airline business model. ALPA has NEVER had the interests of "regional" pilots as a priority. They are out eating steak and lobster and drinking expensive liquor, while you guys are eating ramen noodles and worrying about paying your light bill. Holding hands with management and all the while selling you down the river.
08-16-2015 | 01:06 PM
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Don't be a jack*$$. 25 year old pilots have nothing to do with it. Alpa is the problem. One day pilots will wise up and dump alpa off at the nearest curb.
Alpa is meaningless at this level. You have to be able to see that otherwise there is no point in even talking about it.
Alpa is meaningless at this level. You have to be able to see that otherwise there is no point in even talking about it.
08-16-2015 | 01:11 PM
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Feel free to rephrase or explain differently your point of view.
08-16-2015 | 01:14 PM
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There's no point in paying us that much, at that point might as well take all the flying back in house. Who knows if that will happen. The lack of pilots may help. As far as being sheep, they're sheep because not many are willing to play chicken with a job that took them all that time and money to attain. There are so many other pilot groups that once someone turns down concessions, others will swoop right in to take that flying. Like I said, not having enough pilots might help change the tide.
I agree with you on most of what you said there. There are some "zero cost" alternatives. For instance; getting a mainline seniority number when you're hired at c-scale. That's tangible
What would your opinion of that be? Agreeable??
When this bankrupt business model finally fails, the flying will revert to mainline, where it belongs anyway.
08-16-2015 | 01:21 PM
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I don't understand the question. Rephrase. I think you are trying to illustrate something about our union that I should care about but my position would be to dump the union so again, not sure what you are saying.
Feel free to rephrase or explain differently your point of view.
Feel free to rephrase or explain differently your point of view.
In order to resolve any issues, you need to pay people to not fly. That's flight pay loss. A regional airline is unable to support its own union because dues are so low.
08-16-2015 | 01:27 PM
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The railway labor act requires you to use a collective unit to resolve labor disputes. The system you operate under favors a union. It is in the best interest of all pilots to remain unionized.
In order to resolve any issues, you need to pay people to not fly. That's flight pay loss. A regional airline is unable to support its own union because dues are so low.
In order to resolve any issues, you need to pay people to not fly. That's flight pay loss. A regional airline is unable to support its own union because dues are so low.
I'm advocating doing away with the union at the regionals, not replacing it or fixing it. Not even a pilot driven association such as skywest.
Let the company worry about organizing the pilots. That way when pilots go rogue and decide not to work or show up or show up late, there is nobody to sue. There is no work action. There is nobody to complain to. Let the company organize the pilots no different than any other corporation. Think about the simplicity. Someone else on this forum has hit the nail on the head with this thinking, can't remember who.
But its now clear to me that the company needs the union more than the pilots do. Think about it.
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