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08-16-2015 | 01:42 PM
#21
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On the contrary, John, I spent 13 years "paying dues". Then I realized it was time for me to get paid and quit 9 months after 9/11. Now my life, I'm so lucky to be able to say, is the polar opposite of how it was then.
You did, however, display some wisdom in your reply. You sgave the exact reason pay and treatment are the way they are
You did, however, display some wisdom in your reply. You sgave the exact reason pay and treatment are the way they are
You're not the only one......
Most of my post was TIC pointing out the flaws and outright stupidity of the system. I'd think with the amount of time you did it would have been obvious
08-16-2015 | 01:42 PM
#23
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The railway labor act requires you to use a collective unit to resolve labor disputes. The system you operate under favors a union. It is in the best interest of all pilots to remain unionized.
In order to resolve any issues, you need to pay people to not fly. That's flight pay loss. A regional airline is unable to support its own union because dues are so low.
In order to resolve any issues, you need to pay people to not fly. That's flight pay loss. A regional airline is unable to support its own union because dues are so low.
Put everyone on the same seniority list and let the respective mainline cover the costs.
There. Fixed
08-16-2015 | 01:45 PM
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My apologies if I came off sounding like I thought you hadn't paid dues too. That certainly wasn't my intent.
08-16-2015 | 01:54 PM
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Having been at 2 different regionals from 2002-2008, a bk, and a furlough, I used to feel the same way add the op. But the second you leave the fee for dep. feeder RJ world.... you really couldn't care less if they call it baby jet school for real jet pilots.
Now put on your big boy pants, toughen up, Get out of your regional feeder puddle jumping whipsaw airline as fast as you can and fly anything else.
You'll be happier
08-16-2015 | 04:29 PM
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It may favor a union but that doesn't mean you should have one or its the best idea.
I'm advocating doing away with the union at the regionals, not replacing it or fixing it. Not even a pilot driven association such as skywest.
Let the company worry about organizing the pilots. That way when pilots go rogue and decide not to work or show up or show up late, there is nobody to sue. There is no work action. There is nobody to complain to. Let the company organize the pilots no different than any other corporation. Think about the simplicity. Someone else on this forum has hit the nail on the head with this thinking, can't remember who.
But its now clear to me that the company needs the union more than the pilots do. Think about it.
I'm advocating doing away with the union at the regionals, not replacing it or fixing it. Not even a pilot driven association such as skywest.
Let the company worry about organizing the pilots. That way when pilots go rogue and decide not to work or show up or show up late, there is nobody to sue. There is no work action. There is nobody to complain to. Let the company organize the pilots no different than any other corporation. Think about the simplicity. Someone else on this forum has hit the nail on the head with this thinking, can't remember who.
But its now clear to me that the company needs the union more than the pilots do. Think about it.
Plus with no seniority from a union pay would still be low since there is no unity within the pilot groups. They will fire a senior pilot for anything and hire a new one at half the cost.
08-16-2015 | 04:55 PM
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It may favor a union but that doesn't mean you should have one or its the best idea.
I'm advocating doing away with the union at the regionals, not replacing it or fixing it. Not even a pilot driven association such as skywest.
Let the company worry about organizing the pilots. That way when pilots go rogue and decide not to work or show up or show up late, there is nobody to sue. There is no work action. There is nobody to complain to. Let the company organize the pilots no different than any other corporation. Think about the simplicity. Someone else on this forum has hit the nail on the head with this thinking, can't remember who.
But its now clear to me that the company needs the union more than the pilots do. Think about it.
I'm advocating doing away with the union at the regionals, not replacing it or fixing it. Not even a pilot driven association such as skywest.
Let the company worry about organizing the pilots. That way when pilots go rogue and decide not to work or show up or show up late, there is nobody to sue. There is no work action. There is nobody to complain to. Let the company organize the pilots no different than any other corporation. Think about the simplicity. Someone else on this forum has hit the nail on the head with this thinking, can't remember who.
But its now clear to me that the company needs the union more than the pilots do. Think about it.
You have absolutely no concept of how sh**y your quality of life and pay would be without a union. Try it! Been there done it. Got a picture... There is a reason next to every airline that is capable of having a union.... IS UNIONIZED. Think about it. Keep thinkin..... Give it time.... It'll sink in.
Concept: without your Union.... You'd likely be making less than $20/hr have pay for training no 401k, vacation HA! Retirement.... Psssssshwhatever, rigs work rules? the abuse is endless... Pay your dues and thank your reps. You need them. Now go fly your regional route on some one else's brand.
08-16-2015 | 05:22 PM
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The words "regional", "commuter", "feeder".
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
08-16-2015 | 05:29 PM
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I'll have to agree. There is better and more accurate terminology such as contract airline or teaching airline (similar to a teaching hospital).
As far as being paid what you are worth, that can't happen because pilots do not believe that. Most don't think for a second they could be stuck where they are at.
As far as being paid what you are worth, that can't happen because pilots do not believe that. Most don't think for a second they could be stuck where they are at.
08-16-2015 | 05:29 PM
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The words "regional", "commuter", "feeder".
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
These are all derogatory words, used by management to make you think it's o k for them to pay you nothing and treat you like school children. Regional. What a joke. "Regional" planes are doing almost trams continental length trips, so what kind of "region" does that represent?
This bottom feeder, sub par mentality will continue for as long as you let it. You are worth more than you are being paid.
Stop settling for third best.
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